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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1463811583-274957000-1625694703=:8200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > This sentence > explains that the rest of the documentation doesn't mention the logic > of finding the init file under its various names, instead using just > one possible name. You changed that one name without changing the > rest of the documentation -- what does that achieve? It turns out that the rest of the documentation already refers to ~/.emacs, not ~/.emacs.d/init.el. > Stepping back a notch, the original report was: > > The info page “49.4.4 How Emacs Finds Your Init File” says: > > > For brevity the rest of the Emacs documentation generally uses just > > the current default location ‘~/.emacs.d/init.el’ for the init file. > > However, this seems to be inaccurate: if I start Emacs as a new user > and make a customisation, that customisation is written to ~/.emacs. > > How can a simplifying convention in a manual be "inaccurate"? And > what does that convention have to do with the order and logic of how > Emacs actually looks for the init file? I understand the sentence to be making two assertions: 1. Throughout the documentation, “~/.emacs.d/init.el” will be used as a shorthand for “the initialisation file”, whatever filename that happens to have. 2. The default location of the initialisation file is “~/.emacs.d/init.el”. Neither is true. -- Peter Oliver ---1463811583-274957000-1625694703=:8200--