From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24369: Docu of prefix-numeric-value Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <792cdfef-3836-4483-8ff7-fe7f6377774e@default> References: <2a6635c0-e538-ad1b-4308-a3311a36f59a@easy-emacs.de> <93121a7b-21c7-4174-a295-052f18fde722@default> <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1473097653 31022 195.159.176.226 (5 Sep 2016 17:47:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:47:33 +0000 (UTC) To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , 24369@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 05 19:47:25 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxzI-0006FK-9a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 19:47:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56033 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxzG-0004dK-1U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:47:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxz8-0004dF-QD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:47:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxz4-0003NV-Lf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:47:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52876) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxz4-0003NR-IB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxz4-000050-Bg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:47:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24369.147309757632720 (code B ref 24369); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 17:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2016 17:46:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50588 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxyK-0008Vg-FQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:46:16 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:43290) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bgxyJ-0008VU-F1 for 24369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:46:16 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u85Hk8dr025585 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:46:09 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u85Hk8XW016459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:46:08 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u85Hk73C016562; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:46:07 GMT In-Reply-To: <9cd42ba9-014d-91be-24a4-0077c4e85ac4@easy-emacs.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:122966 Archived-At: > > What "treatment" are you asking to be explained? > > Just what do you think is missing? >=20 > Elisp Info 20.2.2 Code Characters for =E2=80=98interactive=E2=80=99 > ---------------------------------------- >=20 > p The numeric prefix argument >=20 > Likewise with uppecase P. Again, what do you think is missing? `p' is the numeric prefix argument. `P' is the raw prefix argument. This is not the Elisp manual node that describes WHAT these things are. But there is a link here to the node that does that, node `Prefix Command Arguments' http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Prefix-Command-Arg= uments.html And that's the case even in the Emacs 20 version of the manual, which you cited. > User will expect the argument received by function being consistent with > input, i.e. M-x 2 foo... sends 2, M-x 1 foo ... sends 1. From there > omitting an argument will be expected to send nothing - which isn't the > case. Why on Earth would the user expect that, simply from reading that `interactive' code `p' returns the numeric prefix argument and `P' returns the raw prefix argument?