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Sat, 29 Jan 2022 11:48:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail210c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.10.220]:60310 helo=mail194c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nDqtQ-0000d3-2X for 24902@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 11:48:05 -0500 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1643474882; bh=dF9GqmNwAMcYOZv6IRne2euvb7MYxOTFCrQiV1RUqTs=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=KHd2/ouPilDC3gyK3UpBe+26eWyH7fAU2b+TDAi3KSC35+lZiaxzmKDMlJk6mRAHt 7yPDiLiHE/8h/pw47gOhHyF95GmkfemLgwgjNexV1dYLjm5Qc7kFedafaFzRTfj/pq 93H40CAbu9in4g4fjI7GQP1Ka/YoOaq8NQe1RhYQ= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from smtpclient.apple (c-b952e353.032-75-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [83.227.82.185]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail194c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 20TGlxxG015054; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:48:00 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87sft6d33s.fsf@gnus.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F16.61F56FC1.006C, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-Origin-Country: SE X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:225540 Archived-At: 29 jan. 2022 kl. 15.32 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : >> For that matter, many users employ the vertical scroll bar as a live >> approximate position/size indicator. I just wish its height were = based >> on lines instead of characters. >=20 > Yes, that'd be much better. Presumably we could use heuristics similar to line-number-mode for when = to use the line numbers and when to fall back to characters, but I'm = sure there are technicalities to work out. At least the number of lines = in the buffer changes less often. > No matter what we do, we're going to annoy some people, so why annoy > them twice? Hmmm, aren't we unnecessarily censoring ourselves now? If someone is = really annoyed by not getting the character at point in octal by default = despite that the old way is just a defcustom away, then... I don't think = we shouldn't let ourselves be ruled by that person, should we? (It's not = that we are going to lose users from the change.) I'd take it easier on the plan to split the functionality in two = commands, unless you have a clever idea.