From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43593: 27.1; `customize-set-variable': wrong prompt for Boolean value Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737a449e-1ff4-4ef4-9f5b-f06231703ef8@default> References: <<8c3c3f0f-c6ed-4883-b815-1f729879f0d3@default>> <<83d02bt7ah.fsf@gnu.org>> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14316"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 43593@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 24 20:15:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kLVm7-0003Zi-4E for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:14:41 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08OIETgv054347; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:14:41 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33nujr845j-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:14:41 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 08OIEeqQ010213; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:14:40 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83d02bt7ah.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9754 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009240134 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9754 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1011 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009240134 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:188895 Archived-At: > FWIW, I see no problem here, and would understand immediately what is > meant. We do this kind of "translation" of boolean values a'll the > time in Customize. Let's keep in mind that Customize is for users > that aren't Lisp programmers, so we don't want to request them to know > what Lisp boolean data looks like. I understand what you're saying. I don't agree that it's clear now for a user. If the prompt said something like this it would be clearer: Set customized value for bar to true (y) or false (n): (y or n) It's wrong to suggest that this is about setting the value to `y' or `n'. And users are used to "(y or n)" being used primarily (almost exclusively) for confirming something. I think the (ab)use of the `y-or-n-p' UI is unhelpful here (misleading, unclear).