From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: Variant spellings in GNU Emacs documentation Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:44:17 +0200 Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <7105-Tue20Jan2004104417+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074588560 10924 80.91.224.253 (20 Jan 2004 08:49:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 20 09:49:10 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AirZO-0006Pt-00 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:49:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AirYt-0000GS-Uo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:48:39 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AirYr-0000DF-Kg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:48:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AirYK-00083d-9S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:48:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.22] (helo=gollum.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AirYJ-00082e-PY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:48:04 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretski ([80.230.153.224]) by gollum.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.8-GR) with ESMTP id CFP64367; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:47:54 +0200 (IST) Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: (message from Barry Margolin on Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:39:34 GMT) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:6654 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:6654 > From: Barry Margolin > Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:39:34 GMT > > I don't really have much problem with people using these derogatory > nicknames in Usenet postings and similar media; this is an informal > environment, and it's common to throw opinions and biases around in > conversation. But putting them in published software documentation just > makes us all seem unprofessional and juvenile, and hurts the whole free > and open software movement. Just FYI, these names were in the manual since about forever, certainly before I came on board of Emacs maintenance circa 1993. Heck, even the name of the Texinfo source file for the MS-DOS appendix to the manual is msdog.texi. So I think whatever juvenile and unprofessional attitude follows from this, it's been out there for so long that nothing can now change our image in people's eyes, and any damage it could have possibly done to the free software movement is already done.