From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22291: 25.1.50; REGRESSION: Emacs 24.3 breaks loading cl-macs to get macro `case' Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:28:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7059fd9d-4ec3-4910-9aa2-f8c07ba9fe01@default> References: <<61b4ebe0-446c-49df-b5d1-c527a47192b5@default>> <<83a8oocr7i.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451755771 32641 80.91.229.3 (2 Jan 2016 17:29:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22291@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 02 18:29:17 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aFPzN-0008Do-35 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:29:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39128 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFPzJ-0005ht-4Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:29:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35745) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFPzG-0005hn-Er for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:29:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFPzC-0004Qq-FE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:29:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:47257) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFPzC-0004Qk-BI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFPzC-00055P-2i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:29:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 17:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22291 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22291-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22291.145175569319493 (code B ref 22291); Sat, 02 Jan 2016 17:29:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22291) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2016 17:28:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35477 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFPyP-00054L-2m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:28:13 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:40837) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFPyN-000548-K3 for 22291@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:28:12 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u02HS5Hd002467 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:28:05 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u02HS4m0028371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:28:05 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u02HS3so005483; Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:28:04 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83a8oocr7i.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:111114 Archived-At: > IOW, this was a deliberate change, and you should either use 'cl-case' > with Emacs versions since 24.3, or use 'cl' instead of 'cl-macs'. I know all of that. Just because something was decided does not mean that that decision was the best decision possible, or even wise. This is a gratuitous change that breaks backward compatibility. That's the point. Gratuitous - unnecessary. Personally I tend to require `cl', and at compile-time only, to get such macros. But it is entirely reasonable that someone might require `cl-macs' - at runtime or compile time - to get such a macro definition. And if some user does not compile the code that requires the library that provides the macro, then s?he will now get the entire `cl' at runtime, instead of getting only the much-smaller `cl-macs' at runtime. > OK? Not IMHO.