From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15810: 24.3.50; inappropriate text in (emacs) `Echo Area' Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:39:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e7c805d-a5fe-499b-9a1c-e0ee1e81dec9@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1383666082 23725 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2013 15:41:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:41:22 +0000 (UTC) To: 15810@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 05 16:41:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdikv-0005PC-3J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:41:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56838 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiku-000139-MT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:41:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54214) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdiki-000126-KV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:41:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdikY-00037T-HP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:41:12 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:50137) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdikY-00037M-EF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdikX-0004Ge-VE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:41:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 15810 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.138366603116366 (code B ref -1); Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2013 15:40:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35923 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdik2-0004Ft-P0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:40:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52324) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdik0-0004Fd-NA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:40:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdijl-0002z7-Iq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:40:23 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:53801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdijl-0002z3-Gi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:40:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53949) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vdijc-0000mi-MB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:40:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdijU-0002av-30 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:40:04 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:37369) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdijT-0002ai-QQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:39:55 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rA5FdsA7008916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:39:55 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rA5Fdrxs024170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:39:54 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rA5FdrEm012059 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:39:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:80020 Archived-At: This text has no business being there: (We have not explained buffers yet; see *note Buffers::, for more information about them.) (We have not explained variables either; see *note Variables::, for more information about them.) Include the cross references, but drop the unhelpful commentary. This text seems based on an assumption that reading is linear, from page 1 to the current page. This was not true back in the 1980s, when Info was created, and it certainly is not true today. Reserve such text (if at all) for the printed manual. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-10-19 on LEG570 Bzr revision: 114715 rgm@gnu.org-20131019023520-s8mwtib7xcx9e05w Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --enable-checking 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' CPPFLAGS=3D-DGLYPH_DEBUG= =3D1'