From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18167: 24.4.50; Horizontal scroll bar Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6dcc6a67-7851-41ad-b951-4dd424f57c99@default> References: <5189-Fri01Aug2014105624+0100-jpff@codemist.co.uk> <53DB6789.4000901@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1406902181 14934 80.91.229.3 (1 Aug 2014 14:09:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:09:41 +0000 (UTC) To: martin rudalics , john ffitch , 18167@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 01 16:09:31 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDWQ-00081U-Gu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 16:09:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39414 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDWP-0005Ol-LJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:09:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38072) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDWD-0005Kx-06 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:09:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDW3-00029e-6A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:09:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDW3-00029P-2z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:09:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDW2-0000Bd-Fa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:09:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18167 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18167-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18167.1406902138706 (code B ref 18167); Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:09:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2014 14:08:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54000 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDVx-0000BJ-KW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:08:57 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:43744) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XDDVw-0000B2-5m for 18167@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:08:57 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s71E7w8C012894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:08:00 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s71E7tFw020730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:07:56 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s71E7tbE013841; Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:07:55 GMT In-Reply-To: <53DB6789.4000901@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:92031 Archived-At: > > Is there a way to either get rid of them or at least hide them when > > the whole data is within the widow width? I am finding it visually > > dominant and takes screen space. >=20 > (when (fboundp 'horizontal-scroll-bar-mode) > (horizontal-scroll-bar-mode -1)) Why not turn it off by default, and let users opt *in* for this new feature if and when they want it? I understand that a counter argument is that Emacs newbies will expect a horizontal scroll bar. But on that score they will also expect that it only be present when it is actually useful (e.g. when the text is wider than the window). (Disclosure: I have not yet seen the new scroll bar. I do not have access to an MS Windows binary more recent than 6/28.)