From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53316: 28.0.91; Missing Transient manual in Emacs Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:09:39 -0500 Message-ID: <6ar182selo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87o845s4xv.fsf@gnus.org> <87iltgcbqx.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tuczdcqo.fsf@bernoul.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36726"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Philipp Stephani , 53316@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jonas Bernoulli Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 16 22:10:37 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nKRZN-0009QM-1F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 22:10:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37292 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKRZL-0001Pg-SY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:10:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46454) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKRYo-0001PW-T1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:10:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55681) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKRYo-0003dI-D5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:10:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nKRYo-0003a8-5z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:10:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53316 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 53316-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53316.164504578913745 (code B ref 53316); Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:10:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2022 21:09:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49578 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nKRYb-0003Zd-81 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:09:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nKRYZ-0003ZQ-AF for 53316@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:09:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=34138 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKRYT-0003Zh-Az; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:09:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=D0BXxbYwJ+NZKeRXtzCjnsjwyjxI3eUMTZcNiUqgpPc=; b=EtTqhPbx1ae8revtdZ/d V07EdxNk8JsJAA1pt22i04Hcg/bfHqcdgij2p8r8KdqlVM8OeoDiWv9xou9TJcHTFU/+kqhRFzRBv YobSHDDtlXciNGAjGSNamugJaKYStM1n9Yd2QYNY4DJaWb0y51I3NoG3IyXvrtRPUawV5y9ZqJxD5 2CaCyDJgEs+jZ91LsFeWDsxxn3mXdiF0TxEigwUIibT+cbDcSYLlp+HQGQoj865fsegIwqeIVtsi1 iyqc1VCayncdyauF1d5AWWnVLbEZBUJAORdGzo+WMz/9ephAjP5Z8SkVJLxPTzhjL2/On4EXPNNX7 Jlh5pPRqFw8zhA==; Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKRYR-0002u6-Sd; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:09:39 -0500 X-Spook: Homeland Defense Duress fraud CBM Gorelick Dock Bosnia X-Ran: #/d%;GX2#H4t3hUh6YEUGFdoJGiI/b*@;u=P$91]I~I7>*3edpU,rm%";8%42e[Av;r$,Z X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <87tuczdcqo.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2022 22:46:39 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:227060 Archived-At: >> I believe it is a bug for Emacs not to distribute the preferred form for >> modification. See previous identical issue https://debbugs.gnu.org/45143 Especially https://debbugs.gnu.org/45143#14 That is a moral fault. We must distribute the real source code, always without exception. > And I don't think it makes sense to add the org file if some of the > code needed to produce the texi file are not available inside Emacs. > Eli would just have had to fix many more issues manually. Then IMO this manual should not be distributed with Emacs, until such time as the required build machinery can be.