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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o7-20020a05620a110700b0069fc13ce205sm2425175qkk.54.2022.05.06.07.54.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 06 May 2022 07:54:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <831qx6227e.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:231517 Archived-At: > On May 6, 2022, at 9:57 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Cc: 13333@debbugs.gnu.org >> From: Howard Melman >> Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 09:40:59 -0400 >> >>> Sure, makes sense. Could you come up with a patch for this? >> >> I'm sorry no, I don't build my own emacs, don't have the source, >> and haven't signed copyright over. It should just be a couple >> of @cindex calls in mini.texi >> >> @cindex future history >> @cindex minibuffer suggestions > > That's not how good index entries are (or should be) added. One needs > to think of subjects potential readers will have in mind when they are > looking for the indexed text. With this in mind, I wonder who would > think about "minibuffer suggestions" in conjunction with this > material? I wouldn't, because "minibuffer suggestions" tells nothing > to me about what it alludes to. "Suggestions" is not a good word to > describe this feature. > > As for "future history", if we want it, it should _replace_ the > existing index entry, because they both lead to almost the same text, > and it is not useful to have several index entries that begin with the > same text and lead to the same page of the manual. I disagree. I was responding to the previous comments in this bug that: > In most applications similar functionality is called "suggestions" > "Future history" is cute and all, but it's not really helpful as a term -- > especially when "suggestions" is as clear as it is. The original bug offered: "default input", "default input value" "default minibuffer input" which I think are also good. So while you might not think of "minibuffer suggestions" it seems others would. I would. I'd mostly be fine with having these replace the existing index entries for: @cindex future history for file names @cindex minibuffer defaults for file names but I would prefer they didn't. Just because they "begin with the same text" doesn't mean they're useless. They end with different text and when one searches for "file name" in the index getting directed to either of these is quite useful. TBH I think the text itself could be expanded a bit. I'd like to see: "Emacs tries fetching from a list of default arguments: values that you are likely to enter, typically text found near point." Howard