* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches @ 2016-09-16 22:44 Mambo Levis 2016-09-17 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-17 17:27 ` Chris Zheng 0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-16 22:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 24453 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 444 bytes --] Hi, OS: Windows 10 When I build emacs from master the super and Hyper keys work as expected. On the other hand, if I build emacs from branch emacs-25 or any emacs 25 pretest both keys don't work. These are the git commands that I am using: $ git clone git://git.sv.gnu.org/emacs.git $ git clone --depth 1 git://git.sv.gnu.org/emacs.git $ git clone --depth 1 --branch emacs-25 git://git.sv.gnu.org/emacs.git Thanks Levis [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1209 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-16 22:44 bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-17 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <1812033429.98968.1474103814634@mail.yahoo.com> 2016-09-17 17:27 ` Chris Zheng 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-17 7:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453 > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 00:44:04 +0200 > > OS: Windows 10 > When I build emacs from master the super and Hyper keys work as expected. On the other hand, if I build > emacs from branch emacs-25 or any emacs 25 pretest both keys don't work. > These are the git commands that I am using: > > $ git clone git://git.sv.gnu.org/emacs.git > $ git clone --depth 1 git://git.sv.gnu.org/emacs.git > > $ git clone --depth 1 --branch emacs-25 git://git.sv.gnu.org/emacs.git The master branch includes changes to keyboard input handling on Windows that are not on the release branch. In general, only very important changes are back-ported from the master to the release branch, and this issue is not critical enough to warrant that. So I'm considering this bug as fixed already. That being said, Super and Hyper are supposed to work even in the release branch. I just tried these two settings: (setq w32-apps-modifier 'super) (setq w32-lwindow-modifgier 'hyper) And after that, "C-h c Apps-c" says "s-c is undefined" and "C-h c LWindows-s" says "H-s is undefined". So this appears to work for me; feel free to tell the details about how they don't work for you, perhaps some change in your customizations is in order. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
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* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches [not found] ` <1812033429.98968.1474103814634@mail.yahoo.com> @ 2016-09-17 9:43 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-17 11:52 ` Mambo Levis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-17 9:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:16:54 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > > The point is that I don't change anything in my config and the two keys work when I build > emacs from master. > > When I build any other branch, the super and hyper keys didn't work. As I told you, I do not change > my config. I see. However, this doesn't help in understanding the nature of the problem. Please describe your customizations related to these keys: what do you put in your init file to get them working? > My test are made in Windows 10. > > Do you use any special flag or something special when you build from a branch? No. > Did you build it in Windows 10? No, I have no access to Windows 10. But it is not clear to me that this is specific to the Windows version. Or are you saying that on older versions the problem didn't exist? And please keep the bug address on the CC list, so that this discussion gets recorded by the bug tracker. Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-17 9:43 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-17 11:52 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-17 12:05 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-17 11:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1878 bytes --] This is the piece of code in my config related to the keys: ;; windows setup and environment vars(when (eq system-type 'windows-nt) (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) (setq w32-pass-rwindow-to-system nil) ;;(setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) ; Left Windows key (setq w32-rwindow-modifier 'super) ; Right Windows key ) >> Or are you saying that on older versions the problem didn't exist? No, I don't have access to other windows version than 10. Also notice that the problem also exists when I used the pretest (binaries) of version 25, it means that the problem is not located in my build process. It is also important to remark that the official released version 24.5 (binaries) works without problem. On Saturday, September 17, 2016 11:43 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:16:54 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > > The point is that I don't change anything in my config and the two keys work when I build > emacs from master. > > When I build any other branch, the super and hyper keys didn't work. As I told you, I do not change > my config. I see. However, this doesn't help in understanding the nature of the problem. Please describe your customizations related to these keys: what do you put in your init file to get them working? > My test are made in Windows 10. > > Do you use any special flag or something special when you build from a branch? No. > Did you build it in Windows 10? No, I have no access to Windows 10. But it is not clear to me that this is specific to the Windows version. Or are you saying that on older versions the problem didn't exist? And please keep the bug address on the CC list, so that this discussion gets recorded by the bug tracker. Thanks. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 5817 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-17 11:52 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-17 12:05 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-17 12:26 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-17 17:48 ` Robert Cochran 0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-17 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453 > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:52:43 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > This is the piece of code in my config related to the keys: > > ;; windows setup and environment vars > (when (eq system-type 'windows-nt) > (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) > (setq w32-pass-rwindow-to-system nil) > ;;(setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) ; Left Windows key > (setq w32-rwindow-modifier 'super) ; Right Windows key > ) These work for me here in the pretest of Emacs 25. > >> Or are you saying that on older versions the problem didn't exist? > No, I don't have access to other windows version than 10. So it might be indeed something specific to your Windows version. Can someone please try the above on Windows 7, 8, and 10, and see what they get? > Also notice that the problem also exists when I used the pretest (binaries) of version 25, it means that the > problem is not located > in my build process. > > It is also important to remark that the official released version 24.5 (binaries) works without problem. Emacs 25 changed some aspects of keyboard handling. If you set w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to t, does the problem go away? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-17 12:05 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-17 12:26 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-17 17:48 ` Robert Cochran 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-17 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1580 bytes --] Emacs 25 changed some aspects of keyboard handling. If you set w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to t, does the problem go away? levis >> I tested it but the problem is still there! On Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:06 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:52:43 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > This is the piece of code in my config related to the keys: > > ;; windows setup and environment vars > (when (eq system-type 'windows-nt) > (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) > (setq w32-pass-rwindow-to-system nil) > ;;(setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) ; Left Windows key > (setq w32-rwindow-modifier 'super) ; Right Windows key > ) These work for me here in the pretest of Emacs 25. > >> Or are you saying that on older versions the problem didn't exist? > No, I don't have access to other windows version than 10. So it might be indeed something specific to your Windows version. Can someone please try the above on Windows 7, 8, and 10, and see what they get? > Also notice that the problem also exists when I used the pretest (binaries) of version 25, it means that the > problem is not located > in my build process. > > It is also important to remark that the official released version 24.5 (binaries) works without problem. Emacs 25 changed some aspects of keyboard handling. If you set w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to t, does the problem go away? [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4160 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-17 12:05 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-17 12:26 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-17 17:48 ` Robert Cochran 2016-09-17 17:56 ` Mambo Levis 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Robert Cochran @ 2016-09-17 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453, Mambo Levis Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > So it might be indeed something specific to your Windows version. Can > someone please try the above on Windows 7, 8, and 10, and see what > they get? I'd be happy to, but I'm not set up to do any type of compliation on Windows. Could you point me to a pre-compiled distribution? (And FWIW, I'd be testing on Windows 10) -- ~Robert Cochran GPG Fingerprint - E778 2DD4 FEA6 6A68 6F26 AD2D E5C3 EB36 4886 8871 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-17 17:48 ` Robert Cochran @ 2016-09-17 17:56 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-20 18:53 ` Mambo Levis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-17 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Cochran, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 883 bytes --] I'd be happy to, but I'm not set up to do any type of compliation on Windows. Could you point me to a pre-compiled distribution? Levis >> I took a pre-compiled version from here : ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/ You can try for example: emacs-25.0.95-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip On Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:48 PM, Robert Cochran <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com> wrote: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > So it might be indeed something specific to your Windows version. Can > someone please try the above on Windows 7, 8, and 10, and see what > they get? I'd be happy to, but I'm not set up to do any type of compliation on Windows. Could you point me to a pre-compiled distribution? (And FWIW, I'd be testing on Windows 10) -- ~Robert Cochran GPG Fingerprint - E778 2DD4 FEA6 6A68 6F26 AD2D E5C3 EB36 4886 8871 [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3400 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-17 17:56 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-20 18:53 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-20 23:22 ` Robert Cochran 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-20 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis, Robert Cochran, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1084 bytes --] Hi, was someone able to test the reported issue on Windows 10? > Am 17.09.2016 um 19:56 schrieb Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com>: > > I'd be happy to, but I'm not set up to do any type of compliation on > Windows. Could you point me to a pre-compiled distribution? > > Levis >> I took a pre-compiled version from here : ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/ > > You can try for example: emacs-25.0.95-x86_64-w64-mingw32.zip > > > > On Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:48 PM, Robert Cochran <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com> wrote: > > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > > So it might be indeed something specific to your Windows version. Can > > someone please try the above on Windows 7, 8, and 10, and see what > > they get? > > > I'd be happy to, but I'm not set up to do any type of compliation on > Windows. Could you point me to a pre-compiled distribution? > > (And FWIW, I'd be testing on Windows 10) > -- > ~Robert Cochran > > GPG Fingerprint - E778 2DD4 FEA6 6A68 6F26 AD2D E5C3 EB36 4886 8871 > > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3853 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-20 18:53 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-20 23:22 ` Robert Cochran 2016-09-21 8:55 ` Mambo Levis ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Robert Cochran @ 2016-09-20 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org I eventually managed to get it to work from the official Emacs 25.1 release, so I think that the problem has been fixed. This is the form I used: (when (eq system-type 'windows-nt) (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) (setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'super) ;; My laptop does not have a right super, so I used the ;; 'apps'/'menu' key instead. (setq w32-apps-modifier 'hyper)) Also note that even still, Windows still ate a lot of the attempted super key combos, even those that didn't look like they did anything (s-z, for example). I know that `s-w` was passed to Emacs, as well as most of the symbol characters ('[', ';', etc...). HTH, -- ~Robert Cochran GPG Fingerprint - E778 2DD4 FEA6 6A68 6F26 AD2D E5C3 EB36 4886 8871 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-20 23:22 ` Robert Cochran @ 2016-09-21 8:55 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-21 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-21 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-21 17:07 ` Noam Postavsky 2 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Cochran; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1184 bytes --] Thank you for your answer, I downloaded and tested the official emacs 25.1 relase but I still have problems:- If I press C-s-a it works (Notice that super key is pressed after Control)- If I press s-a it doesn't work. All my tests are made in Windows 10. On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:23 AM, Robert Cochran <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com> wrote: I eventually managed to get it to work from the official Emacs 25.1 release, so I think that the problem has been fixed. This is the form I used: (when (eq system-type 'windows-nt) (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) (setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'super) ;; My laptop does not have a right super, so I used the ;; 'apps'/'menu' key instead. (setq w32-apps-modifier 'hyper)) Also note that even still, Windows still ate a lot of the attempted super key combos, even those that didn't look like they did anything (s-z, for example). I know that `s-w` was passed to Emacs, as well as most of the symbol characters ('[', ';', etc...). HTH, -- ~Robert Cochran GPG Fingerprint - E778 2DD4 FEA6 6A68 6F26 AD2D E5C3 EB36 4886 8871 [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2852 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 8:55 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-21 16:42 ` Mambo Levis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:55:29 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > I downloaded and tested the official emacs 25.1 relase but I still have problems: > - If I press C-s-a it works (Notice that super key is pressed after Control) > - If I press s-a it doesn't work. With what customizations did you try that? Yours or those suggested by Robert? Some combinations are expected not to work in all released versions of Emacs; the development code on the master branch should do better. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 16:42 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-21 17:02 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1628 bytes --] Eli >>With what customizations did you try that? Yours or those suggested by Robert? Levis >>> Robert's and my configurations are the same, it is not a problem of configuration. I made the followingtests without using Roberts configuration (lets consider the following key sequence s-a)1. In emacs 24.5 official release it works.2. In emacs master branch it also works 3. In emacs-25 branch it doesn't work4. In any emacs-25 pretest binaries it doesn't work5. In emacs 25.1 oficial release it doesn't work (currently release) So, it is clear that the configuration is not the problem. Any idea or suggestion? Eli>>Some combinations are expected not to work in all released versions of Emacs; the development code on the master branch should do better. Levis >>> Yes, in my test the master brach the key combination s-p works properly. But I don't know how stable is the master branch? On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:45 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:55:29 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > I downloaded and tested the official emacs 25.1 relase but I still have problems: > - If I press C-s-a it works (Notice that super key is pressed after Control) > - If I press s-a it doesn't work. With what customizations did you try that? Yours or those suggested by Robert? Some combinations are expected not to work in all released versions of Emacs; the development code on the master branch should do better. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 9873 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 16:42 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 17:02 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-21 17:17 ` Mambo Levis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:42:14 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Eli >>With what customizations did you try that? Yours or those suggested > by Robert? > Levis >>> Robert's and my configurations are the same, it is not a problem of configuration. I made the > following > tests without using Roberts configuration (lets consider the following key sequence s-a) > 1. In emacs 24.5 official release it works. > 2. In emacs master branch it also works > > 3. In emacs-25 branch it doesn't work > 4. In any emacs-25 pretest binaries it doesn't work > 5. In emacs 25.1 oficial release it doesn't work (currently release) > > So, it is clear that the configuration is not the problem. > Any idea or suggestion? No suggestions. If setting w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to a non-nil value doesn't help, I don't know how this is possible, since there's no other difference between Emacs 24.5 and 25.1 I know about regarding keyboard support. Let me understand what exactly is the nature of the problem: is it true that only _some_ hyper- and super- key combinations don't work? Or do none of them work in Emacs 25.1? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 17:02 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 17:17 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-21 17:45 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-21 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1819 bytes --] Let me understand what exactly is the nature of the problem: is it true that only _some_ hyper- and super- key combinations don't work? Or do none of them work in Emacs 25.1? Levis >> None of them work in Emacs 25.1 official release. For example, key combinations starting with super don't work, but if I make a combinationsuch C-super-a (C-s-a) works. It seams that super and hyper can't be triggered as prefix. On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:03 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:42:14 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Eli >>With what customizations did you try that? Yours or those suggested > by Robert? > Levis >>> Robert's and my configurations are the same, it is not a problem of configuration. I made the > following > tests without using Roberts configuration (lets consider the following key sequence s-a) > 1. In emacs 24.5 official release it works. > 2. In emacs master branch it also works > > 3. In emacs-25 branch it doesn't work > 4. In any emacs-25 pretest binaries it doesn't work > 5. In emacs 25.1 oficial release it doesn't work (currently release) > > So, it is clear that the configuration is not the problem. > Any idea or suggestion? No suggestions. If setting w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to a non-nil value doesn't help, I don't know how this is possible, since there's no other difference between Emacs 24.5 and 25.1 I know about regarding keyboard support. Let me understand what exactly is the nature of the problem: is it true that only _some_ hyper- and super- key combinations don't work? Or do none of them work in Emacs 25.1? [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4850 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 17:17 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 17:45 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-21 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2778 bytes --] This is what "System Information" tells me: OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home Version 10.0.14393 Build 14393 Here are all the unshifted keys that got passed through: s-y is undefined s-n is undefined s-[ is undefined s-] is undefined s-. is undefined s-` is undefined s-- is undefined s-; is undefined s-' is undefined s-\ is undefined All the other unshifted keys were blocked. Levis >>> Yes, in my case version 24.5 works like yours. My system informationOS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro NVersion: 10.0.10586 Build: 10586 My problem is in the version 25.1 release where the super key don't work at all, I check all combinations and none of them work.s-a, s-b, s-c, ..., s-z, s->, s-< etc Please notice that these combinations work:C-s-a is undefinedC-s-b is undefinedC-s-c is undefinedetc All of the work! On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:18 PM, Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> wrote: Let me understand what exactly is the nature of the problem: is it true that only _some_ hyper- and super- key combinations don't work? Or do none of them work in Emacs 25.1? Levis >> None of them work in Emacs 25.1 official release. For example, key combinations starting with super don't work, but if I make a combinationsuch C-super-a (C-s-a) works. It seams that super and hyper can't be triggered as prefix. On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:03 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:42:14 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Eli >>With what customizations did you try that? Yours or those suggested > by Robert? > Levis >>> Robert's and my configurations are the same, it is not a problem of configuration. I made the > following > tests without using Roberts configuration (lets consider the following key sequence s-a) > 1. In emacs 24.5 official release it works. > 2. In emacs master branch it also works > > 3. In emacs-25 branch it doesn't work > 4. In any emacs-25 pretest binaries it doesn't work > 5. In emacs 25.1 oficial release it doesn't work (currently release) > > So, it is clear that the configuration is not the problem. > Any idea or suggestion? No suggestions. If setting w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to a non-nil value doesn't help, I don't know how this is possible, since there's no other difference between Emacs 24.5 and 25.1 I know about regarding keyboard support. Let me understand what exactly is the nature of the problem: is it true that only _some_ hyper- and super- key combinations don't work? Or do none of them work in Emacs 25.1? [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 19036 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 17:17 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-21 17:45 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-21 18:08 ` Mambo Levis 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:17:16 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Let me understand what exactly is the nature of the problem: is it > true that only _some_ hyper- and super- key combinations don't work? > Or do none of them work in Emacs 25.1? > > Levis >> None of them work in Emacs 25.1 official release. For example, key combinations starting with > super don't work, but if I make a combination > such C-super-a (C-s-a) works. It seams that super and hyper can't be triggered as prefix. Not even those mentioned by Noam work? I mean these: s-y s-n s-[ s-] s-. s-` s-- s-; s-' s-\ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 18:08 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-21 18:27 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1175 bytes --] Not even those mentioned by Noam work? I mean these: s-y Hide original message s-n s-[ s-] s-. s-` s-- s-; s-' s-\ Levis >>> Non of them. No one. But these works:C-s-y is undefinedC-s-n is undefinedC-s-] is undefined.... etc On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:45 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:17:16 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Let me understand what exactly is the nature of the problem: is it > true that only _some_ hyper- and super- key combinations don't work? > Or do none of them work in Emacs 25.1? > > Levis >> None of them work in Emacs 25.1 official release. For example, key combinations starting with > super don't work, but if I make a combination > such C-super-a (C-s-a) works. It seams that super and hyper can't be triggered as prefix. Not even those mentioned by Noam work? I mean these: s-y s-n s-[ s-] s-. s-` s-- s-; s-' s-\ [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 7122 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 18:08 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 18:27 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-21 18:43 ` Mambo Levis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:08:26 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > s-n > s-[ > s-] > s-. > s-` > s-- > s-; > s-' > s-\ > > Levis >>> Non of them. No one. Which probably means you have some local system customizations (outside of Emacs) that affect this. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 18:27 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 18:43 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-21 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 996 bytes --] Which probably means you have some local system customizations (outside of Emacs) that affect this. Levis >>> The point is that super key works if I use the master brach of emacs. For example I am testing the master branch at this moment: Let me first I show you emacs version:GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) Then the tests:s-a is undefineds-b is undefineds-c in undefinedetcAll of them work. Why the master work and the official release not? On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:27 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:08:26 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > s-n > s-[ > s-] > s-. > s-` > s-- > s-; > s-' > s-\ > > Levis >>> Non of them. No one. Which probably means you have some local system customizations (outside of Emacs) that affect this. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 7081 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 18:43 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-23 1:53 ` Mambo Levis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Which probably means you have some local system customizations > (outside of Emacs) that affect this. > > Levis >>> The point is that super key works if I use the master brach of emacs. For example I am testing > the master branch at this moment: > > Let me first I show you emacs version: > GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) > > Then the tests: > s-a is undefined > s-b is undefined > s-c in undefined > etc > All of them work. Why the master work and the official release not? The master branch has some code that hooks the keyboard at a lower level, so it is able to intercept these keys. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-21 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-23 1:53 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-23 13:23 ` Mambo Levis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-23 1:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453 Levis>> can you please tell me what is the value of this variable in your emacs? C-h v system-configuration-options Am 21.09.2016 um 21:10 schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>: >> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> >> Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, >> "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> >> >> Which probably means you have some local system customizations >> (outside of Emacs) that affect this. >> >> Levis >>> The point is that super key works if I use the master brach of emacs. For example I am testing >> the master branch at this moment: >> >> Let me first I show you emacs version: >> GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) >> >> Then the tests: >> s-a is undefined >> s-b is undefined >> s-c in undefined >> etc >> All of them work. Why the master work and the official release not? > > The master branch has some code that hooks the keyboard at a lower > level, so it is able to intercept these keys. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-23 1:53 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-23 13:23 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-23 14:12 ` Mambo Levis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-23 13:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1707 bytes --] Searching for a solution of the super and hyper keys problem, I found that even though the superis not working as prefix, the use of Shift + s is interpreted as super, for example: Shift + super + a is interpreted as s-aShift + super + z in interpreted as s-zShift + super + d in interpreted as s-d and so on... Maybe you have experience with something similar. My definitely solutionwill be eliminating the use of super and hyper in my configuration. But I would like tolisten first some final comments/recommendations for you. Thanks On Friday, September 23, 2016 3:53 AM, Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> wrote: Levis>> can you please tell me what is the value of this variable in your emacs? C-h v system-configuration-options Am 21.09.2016 um 21:10 schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>: >> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> >> Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, >> "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> >> >> Which probably means you have some local system customizations >> (outside of Emacs) that affect this. >> >> Levis >>> The point is that super key works if I use the master brach of emacs. For example I am testing >> the master branch at this moment: >> >> Let me first I show you emacs version: >> GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) >> >> Then the tests: >> s-a is undefined >> s-b is undefined >> s-c in undefined >> etc >> All of them work. Why the master work and the official release not? > > The master branch has some code that hooks the keyboard at a lower > level, so it is able to intercept these keys. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 6046 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-23 13:23 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-23 14:12 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-23 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-23 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2164 bytes --] Finally, I found the problem. Something in Emacs changed and now an Autohotkey script that I use to emulate Germanwords is in conflict with Emacs. It was difficult to find because the script works in previous Emacsversions and all other applications. So, I need to change the logic to the new conditions of Emacs 25. Thank you for your help, Levis On Friday, September 23, 2016 3:23 PM, Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> wrote: Searching for a solution of the super and hyper keys problem, I found that even though the superis not working as prefix, the use of Shift + s is interpreted as super, for example: Shift + super + a is interpreted as s-aShift + super + z in interpreted as s-zShift + super + d in interpreted as s-d and so on... Maybe you have experience with something similar. My definitely solutionwill be eliminating the use of super and hyper in my configuration. But I would like tolisten first some final comments/recommendations for you. Thanks On Friday, September 23, 2016 3:53 AM, Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> wrote: Levis>> can you please tell me what is the value of this variable in your emacs? C-h v system-configuration-options Am 21.09.2016 um 21:10 schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>: >> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> >> Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, >> "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> >> >> Which probably means you have some local system customizations >> (outside of Emacs) that affect this. >> >> Levis >>> The point is that super key works if I use the master brach of emacs. For example I am testing >> the master branch at this moment: >> >> Let me first I show you emacs version: >> GNU Emacs 25.1.50.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) >> >> Then the tests: >> s-a is undefined >> s-b is undefined >> s-c in undefined >> etc >> All of them work. Why the master work and the official release not? > > The master branch has some code that hooks the keyboard at a lower > level, so it is able to intercept these keys. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 9229 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-23 14:12 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-23 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-23 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mambo Levis; +Cc: 24453-done > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 14:12:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mambo Levis <mambo.levis@gmail.com> > Cc: "robert-emacs@cochranmail.com" <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, > "24453@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Finally, I found the problem. > > Something in Emacs changed and now an Autohotkey script that I use to emulate German > words is in conflict with Emacs. It was difficult to find because the script works in previous Emacs > versions and all other applications. So, I need to change the logic to the new conditions of Emacs 25. > > Thank you for your help, OK, thanks. I'm therefore closing this bug report. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-20 23:22 ` Robert Cochran 2016-09-21 8:55 ` Mambo Levis @ 2016-09-21 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-09-21 17:07 ` Noam Postavsky 2 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Cochran; +Cc: 24453, mambo.levis > From: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com> > Cc: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, "24453\@debbugs.gnu.org" <24453@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 16:22:56 -0700 > > (when (eq system-type 'windows-nt) > (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) > (setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'super) > ;; My laptop does not have a right super, so I used the > ;; 'apps'/'menu' key instead. > (setq w32-apps-modifier 'hyper)) > > Also note that even still, Windows still ate a lot of the attempted > super key combos, even those that didn't look like they did anything > (s-z, for example). I know that `s-w` was passed to Emacs, as well as > most of the symbol characters ('[', ';', etc...). This is expected, as some combinations are eaten by Windows. It is documented in the manual. The code on the master branch should be able to overcome those problems. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-20 23:22 ` Robert Cochran 2016-09-21 8:55 ` Mambo Levis 2016-09-21 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-21 17:07 ` Noam Postavsky 2 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Noam Postavsky @ 2016-09-21 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Robert Cochran; +Cc: 24453@debbugs.gnu.org, Mambo Levis On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Robert Cochran <robert-emacs@cochranmail.com> wrote: > I eventually managed to get it to work from the official Emacs 25.1 > release, so I think that the problem has been fixed. > > This is the form I used: > > (when (eq system-type 'windows-nt) > (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) > (setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'super) > ;; My laptop does not have a right super, so I used the > ;; 'apps'/'menu' key instead. > (setq w32-apps-modifier 'hyper)) > > Also note that even still, Windows still ate a lot of the attempted > super key combos, even those that didn't look like they did anything > (s-z, for example). I know that `s-w` was passed to Emacs, as well as > most of the symbol characters ('[', ';', etc...). > Perhaps this is some OS difference? `s-w` did not get passed through for me, hardly any letters did. I see the same behaviour with 24.5 and 25.1. This is what "System Information" tells me: OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home Version 10.0.14393 Build 14393 Here are all the unshifted keys that got passed through: s-y is undefined s-n is undefined s-[ is undefined s-] is undefined s-. is undefined s-` is undefined s-- is undefined s-; is undefined s-' is undefined s-\ is undefined All the other unshifted keys were blocked. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches 2016-09-16 22:44 bug#24453: Hyper and super keys don't work in some branches Mambo Levis 2016-09-17 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-09-17 17:27 ` Chris Zheng 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Chris Zheng @ 2016-09-17 17:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 24453 Hello Mambo, > ;; windows setup and environment vars > (when (eq system-type 'windows-nt) > (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) > (setq w32-pass-rwindow-to-system nil) > ;;(setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) ; Left Windows key > (setq w32-rwindow-modifier 'super) ; Right Windows key > ) These settings work for me under MS Windows 8.1. Maybe the problem is related to your system, or this is Windows-10-specific. Have you recently upgraded your system or installed software? Hope this helps, Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
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