From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:19:15 +0200 Message-ID: <6860EE8A-9858-4CE0-A77F-546BEE33A87E@acm.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34205"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Juri Linkov , Lars Ingebrigtsen , stefankangas@gmail.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 20 11:20:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kUnoT-0008oU-58 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:20:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49260 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUnoS-0007Sw-2x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:20:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55714) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUnoI-0007R2-Tw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60239) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUnoI-0000XL-KH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUnoI-0000kU-FT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:20:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031855692831 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 09:19:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43552 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUnnl-0000ja-Hn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:19:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail1455c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.14.55]:33566 helo=mail266c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUnnh-0000jK-Sz for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:19:28 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1603185559; bh=p7tX4tCziIEFiPiAh0cP1uAlP2FNDXiHOIeUqWyzec4=; h=From:Subject:Date:Cc:To:From; b=SmCigG5rE+FnMCEqc1YibmtWQwnHZoazULzhrUY4w6VbHARIoQmQyO6l7Zd/95zq3 b6+ctLtpfGsLbWZ8VSq05Dw+JSgJGf1f7tmOkly8gbYyvdPIDv4tIdTAegmh/umv16 3mrD49UJAB7lR10lLvg1gk27FG+Vqi75ycTuXa70= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.comhem.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail266c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 09K9JGjp002135; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:19:18 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F24.5F8EAB97.001E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=A5MSwJeG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=ZTsy0R2YKPNGPEMOBvQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-Origin-Country: SE X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:191069 Archived-At: Eli is entirely right -- this file isn't a catalogue of how to say hello = in different languages but a way to show off Emacs's character set = capabilities. (Somewhat less impressive these days than when it was = created, but nothing to be sneezed at.) I therefore propose removal of the all-ASCII lines for: C (silly), = Dutch, Emacs (not very useful for someone already looking at the = buffer), Italian and Norwegian. There are also way too many lines that only demonstrate the Latin-1 = subset, of which we should keep only one or two: Danish, Estonian, = Finnish, French, German, Hungarian, Spanish, Swedish and Turkish. Of these, I suggest keeping German (for the =C3=9F which is sometimes = rendered ambiguously to share glyph with Greek =CE=B2) and Spanish (for = the non-alphabetic =C2=A1), or maybe Estonian (smallest language of the = bunch; I root for underdogs) or Finnish (for its glorious salvo of = '=C3=A4's). Every humdrum line is one that displaces an exciting one. If this file = has any relevance today, it should be the variety and wonder of human = writing systems that Emacs can display. (I also question the oversized copyright notice for this file but at = least it's relegated to the bottom where nobody will read it. It feels = like one of those corporate email signatures.)