From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24902: 25.1; C-x = for Unicode Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 15:09:43 +0100 Message-ID: <66A36684-9C30-4EBA-A55F-35D55C426DAA@acm.org> References: <87a6fl5w11.fsf@gnus.org> <14F24EE3-901E-4622-8210-6C4F2134E9BA@acm.org> <87czkh1jqo.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22373"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Ulrich Windl , 24902@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 24 15:11:25 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nC045-0005dp-76 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 15:11:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55312 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nC043-0001CA-Ti for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 09:11:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39576) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nC02l-0001Bc-RK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 09:10:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nC02l-0003bS-1e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 09:10:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nC02k-0003Rj-Ig for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 09:10:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24902 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 24902-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24902.164303339513231 (code B ref 24902); Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:10:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24902) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2022 14:09:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42642 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nC02d-0003RL-6O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 09:09:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mail1452c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.14.52]:37068 helo=mail266c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nC02a-0003R4-NE for 24902@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 09:09:53 -0500 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1643033386; bh=rfDqMWX+AIjQ/h8d8IIEq8JEmGs63mtI+lVLCnLErXM=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=Gp+C3U23wp6iCai6PkrDmm5qqmRBlIWSCrdsuGmF35A6z911az5+i+tZCQQRPTj/0 tpkCSuzqstLBt3364VSvjP9mGrPX+LlkK+T4EeLvfiJOOrEs9x67ROnj2yk9QL0T8z 5hitDxi66EByne1uUgUBzj3hCDvWoLtweHnQjSR8= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from smtpclient.apple (c-b952e353.032-75-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [83.227.82.185]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail266c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 20OE9h5f001936; Mon, 24 Jan 2022 14:09:44 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87czkh1jqo.fsf@gnus.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F27.61EEB32A.0028, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-Origin-Country: SE X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:225052 Archived-At: 24 jan. 2022 kl. 12.00 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : > The reason we don't remove all the octal > stuff from Emacs is that it'd annoy a significant number of people. Oh, that is perfectly understood, and please do believe that I'm not = accusing you of stubborn conservatism! But being human, you and I both = are capable of making sometimes less than perfect decisions for = excellent reasons such as not wanting to annoy people. We then fail = taking into account the people that are annoyed by these decisions. There is no perfect solution to this problem but fearless discussion is = a good start. > Making a format-spec thing for `C-x =3D' would be fine by me. That would of course also be possible, but I'm not sure the complexity = (in implementing, maintaining and using it) would be warranted. What = about just starting with two choices, old and new, while honouring the = existing `what-cursor-show-names` variable in the former case? A more = complex user-define format could be added as a later alternative. > I don't understand the aggression here, though. My sincerest apologies -- none were meant.