From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40725: 27.0.91; Tutorial reports false positive key rebindings Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:47:44 +0200 Message-ID: <654FEBD4-BA27-4060-9CFD-0CF67F6000BB@acm.org> References: <187E7752-27CA-4304-8BBB-695B9588DEC2@acm.org> <83d07xb2wp.fsf@gnu.org> <569DDA5E-28F0-4329-86B2-C9AE3AC4427F@acm.org> <831rodb035.fsf@gnu.org> <37969D02-FD67-4563-BD01-A2F483999D79@acm.org> <83v9lp9j41.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="125417"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: contovob@tcd.ie, 40725@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 14:48:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxka-000WWA-Rs for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:47:55 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1587732467; bh=oHkpLJxPqLGG3hy4AJ/jAijM0thmZ8A1nVQk82eQBgg=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=M/hkSvYy2NHETA6E4vOHDCCHpYPzYTCAE11mQNbu07FSWb33gozFUSkv9MDomKdiA nqtJT5MCz/JnVEvzXWXvCj7WPx3XlLBMxXiFGHwW+btHpOGpH2QGS6Q/X0BJ7hLc6n y5WxzIOSIfKGku0vr+fIR2hAlqxo4VZokNM63G2w= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from stanniol.lan (c-4e4ae655.032-75-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [85.230.74.78]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail265c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 03OCliHc010167; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:47:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83v9lp9j41.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F20.5EA2DF93.00BA, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=D5w51cZj c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=klNLuyVZdLUgl+K5Uafb2A==:117 a=klNLuyVZdLUgl+K5Uafb2A==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=e4Sa9CLBgLlLa6zu1uoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_FVE-zBwftR9WsbkzFJk:22 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178919 Archived-At: 24 apr. 2020 kl. 14.13 skrev Eli Zaretskii : > I didn't say "a good reason", I said "if we can solve the issue in > some other way". Why does renaming files, a quite uncomplicated operation, have to be the = last resort? >> The file names cause more inconvenience than just the mode problem. >=20 > What problems are those? You mentioned grepping the files, which can > be easily handled by excluding the tutorials directory from the > search. Are there any other problems we should consider? I didn't mention grepping (scanning files can be done in multiple ways), = but why would I or anyone else need to perform such contortions every = time to compensate for a problem that is so easily solved once and for = all by simply giving the files better names? >> Git handles renames gracefully. >=20 > "Gracefully" is in the eyes of the beholder. It's true the support > for renames improved in the recent years, but there are still commands > that either fails or need special invocation methods to work across > renames. So it's still a source of inconvenience and occasional > failure or mistaken conclusions, and I'd like to avoid that if > possible. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. It's not going to be a = problem; this is not CVS. Let's not invent difficulties. Nowadays, the bar for renaming files is much lower, and there is no = reason whatsoever to shy away from it because of bad experiences in the = past with other version control systems.