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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>, 43609@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#43609: 28.0.50; eldoc-documentation-function [vs new eldoc-display-functions]
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:05:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <64831acc-996e-51d7-ce6f-b667a6334e3c@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a6w7puuz.fsf@gmail.com>

 > I'd like to help you, but I don't understand: are you updating Emacs to
 > master in all 50 of those drives?  Do you do this 50 times?  By hand?
 > Why can't you update your eldoc-tooltip.el in the process?

Every year I experience around two or three crashes among my machines
which run various operating systems ranging from Windows XP to Windows
10 and old stable to unstable Debian.  When a HD drive crashes, I try
to recreate the prior state by plugging in an older disk or copy the
contents of that older disk into a new one.  Thereafter, I usually
update my Emacs repositories reusing my older libraries.  If I also have
to update my libraries, I'm ending up in Augean stables.

 > I don't understand how this can work: it's essential that ElDoc calls
 > eldoc-documentation-functions _through_ eldoc-documentation-function:
 > that's the only way it can deal with both old-style libraries that set
 > the latter and new-style library that set the former.  That's the key to
 > backward compatibility, and it's working correctly for many old and new
 > packages.  Furthermore, this link between the two variables _precedes_
 > my code (see SHA c0fcbd2c119b8418855f0931aceefbef717c5e53): I just added
 > the async support.

Then I fail to understand why my old code stopped working after your
changes.  On the version of master I'm currently using here it's even
documented in the Elisp manual as

‘eldoc-documentation-function’
      This variable holds the function which is used to retrieve
      documentation for the item at point from the functions in the hook
      ‘eldoc-documentation-functions’.  By default,
      ‘eldoc-documentation-function’ returns the first documentation
      string produced by the ‘eldoc-documentation-functions’ hook.

 > If "function definitions" were at stake, I would certainly agree with
 > you.  But they're not.

Here 'elisp-eldoc-documentation-function' is a function defined in
elisp-mode.el.  IIUC this function has gone now.

 > If you are going to update Emacs to master in N servers, you might as
 > well update your library in those N servers. If you're updating it by
 > hand, then this doesn't seem like a tremendous extra effort to expend.
 > If you're using a script, just put the library update in that script.  I
 > personally use Git to good effect for this: push once, pull many times.

This is not something I do once to be done for ever.  It's something
that I usually have to do in a troublesome situation where I have to
recover from a previous crash and I'm trying to make some system run
again.  I can't afford to plug in all sorts of hard disk drives in order
to make them future-proof.

 > Alternatively, and perhaps even better, you're invited to contribute
 > your library to Emacs (or GNU ELPA).  Then you'll just have to update
 > Emacs, using your preferred method.

I'd still have to update each of my .emacs and install the respective
calls for each version of Emacs I might use there.

martin






  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-27 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-25  8:46 bug#43609: 28.0.50; eldoc-documentation-function martin rudalics
2020-09-26 18:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-27  8:30   ` martin rudalics
2020-09-29 11:20     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-29 15:09       ` martin rudalics
2020-09-29 15:23         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-30  8:14           ` martin rudalics
2020-09-30  8:50             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-30 14:37 ` João Távora
2020-09-30 17:33   ` martin rudalics
2020-09-30 18:22     ` João Távora
2020-10-01  8:40       ` martin rudalics
2020-10-01  9:23         ` João Távora
2020-10-03 19:15         ` bug#43609: 28.0.50; eldoc-documentation-function [vs new eldoc-display-functions] João Távora
2020-10-05  8:35           ` martin rudalics
2020-10-05  9:29             ` João Távora
2020-10-06  8:23               ` martin rudalics
2020-10-06  9:29                 ` João Távora
2020-10-07  8:36                   ` martin rudalics
2020-10-07  8:40                     ` João Távora
2020-10-07  9:36                     ` João Távora
2020-10-08  8:22                       ` martin rudalics
2020-10-08  8:27                         ` João Távora
2020-10-09  8:03                           ` martin rudalics
2020-10-24 15:18                             ` João Távora
2020-10-26 14:12                               ` João Távora
2020-10-27  9:59                                 ` martin rudalics
2020-10-27  9:58                               ` martin rudalics
2020-10-27 15:11                                 ` João Távora
2020-10-27 18:05                                   ` martin rudalics [this message]
2020-10-27 19:56                                     ` João Távora
2020-10-28  8:39                                       ` martin rudalics
2020-10-28  9:38                                         ` João Távora
2020-10-31  8:01                                           ` martin rudalics
2020-10-28  9:17                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-28  9:54                                         ` João Távora
2020-10-30 22:51                                           ` João Távora
2020-10-31  8:02                                             ` martin rudalics
2020-10-23  2:37           ` Yuan Fu
2020-10-24 17:09             ` João Távora
2020-10-31 13:07               ` Basil L. Contovounesios

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