From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13602: 24.3.50; remove bindings for `icomplete-minibuffer-map' - make a separate mode Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 08:22:54 -0800 Message-ID: <625A327B282C4C279837A7542B76E5C8@us.oracle.com> References: <65EEA895D8A0443A859A780AB233146E@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1359995045 31414 80.91.229.3 (4 Feb 2013 16:24:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13602@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 04 17:24:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U2OqF-0001WB-LK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:24:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48711 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2Opw-0003LX-MN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:24:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47370) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2Ops-0003LM-Id for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:24:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2Opp-0007iH-0Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:24:00 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58957) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U2Opo-0007i9-UC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:23:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U2Oqr-0001QC-S6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:25:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13602 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13602-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13602.13599950565411 (code B ref 13602); Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:25:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13602) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2013 16:24:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U2Oq8-0001PD-Gm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:24:16 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29867) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U2Oq6-0001P6-Mh for 13602@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 11:24:15 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r14GN8PF023843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:23:08 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r14GN7gf021264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:23:07 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt115.oracle.com (abhmt115.oracle.com [141.146.116.67]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r14GN7kB006717; Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:23:07 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 04 Feb 2013 08:23:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac4C5yffFE7obdfFQV2EObksfY6+cwAC/Img X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:70682 Archived-At: > > It is not kosher to bind such keys in the minibuffer in a > > general mode. > > Of course it is. Most modes do that. Icomplete is not a new mode. Its use has been to provide informative help. It has never interfered with minibuffer bindings in its long history. Even if Icomplete were new, we should separate the binding of keys out, making that optional. It should be easy to use Icomplete with all the existing minibuffer bindings. Introducing alternative minibuffer bindings for use with Icomplete mode is fine. But they should be optional. > > Let users bind them if they like. > > The user is still, as always, free to add or remove bindings. > E.g. you might like to add (setq icomplete-minibuffer-map > (make-sparse-keymap)) > to your .emacs if you prefer the old behavior. Make it _easier_ on users. Do what we've done for CUA mode and CUA selection mode. Let users easily separate the informative help aspect of Icomplete - what it has always provided, from the addition of Ido-like cycling. And do not have Icomplete trample minibuffer bindings by default. Let users opt in for that.