From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20697: 25.0.50; Mention `M-x report-emacs-bug' on splash screen Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 14:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5d8f820c-4029-45cf-8fd7-b1fc44f8e6e3@default> References: <874l2az3r3.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="33191"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 20697@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas , Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 21 23:28:19 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i0Y9T-0008XX-8g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:27:11 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2uh2q519su-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:27:11 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x7LLR7Ae007118; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:27:09 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4873.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9355 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1908210208 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9355 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1906280000 definitions=main-1908210208 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:165522 Archived-At: > > So this basically adds another line and links directly to the Bugs > info > > page. Hm. Would it be possible to instead just change the line > > > > Contributing How to contribute improvements to Emacs > > > > to something like the following? That link already links to the bug > > reporting page... > > > > Contributing How to report bugs and contribute improvements >=20 > I had missed that, but you're absolutely correct and I agree that its > a better solution. >=20 > There was also a suggestion by Drew in the original post to mention > the Help menu as well. Is that something we want to do? But then, > wouldn't we also want to suggest C-h C-h, C-h C-i, etc.? Maybe a > better alternative would be to add the Emacs Manual at the bottom, > after the link to the guided tour? (And, but maybe that's just me, to > move all the help topics ("Emacs Tutorial", "Emacs Guided Tour") to > the top?) I saw that "How to contribute..." but I thought/think its destination is to the doc section about contributing. If so, that's not quite the same thing. It would be OK to have a single link that points to something that covered both (1) `report-emacs-bug', mentioning that that's also for enhancement requests, and (2) how to contribute in a deeper way: GIT, patches etc. [Mentioning also enhancement requests was my input for this bug thread.] But in that case, the more lightweight feedback, #1, should be separated and up front, so users wanting to report a bug or suggest an enhancement need not find themselves immediately in the depths of how to contribute in a deeper way. We want (IMO) to encourage lots of users to provide relatively easy feedback, beyond also wanting some users to get more deeply involved. We don't want people to get the impression that lightweight suggestions are not possible or encouraged, and that a heavy commitment is the only encouraged participation. Just one opinion.