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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f19-20020ac859d3000000b002de4d014733sm5337026qtf.13.2022.02.27.08.59.35 for <54175@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 27 Feb 2022 08:59:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83bkysntjv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:227733 Archived-At: On Feb 27, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Howard Melman >> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 10:43:49 -0500 >>=20 >> 2. It's not unreasonable to expect a completion table to be in a = meaningful=20 >> order when there is one. >=20 > But what is a meaningful order in this particular case, why is it > more meaningful than the current order? I believe I explained this. It is the order they are found in the node. = It means=20 the offered candidates appear to me in the order I see them in the node. = I think it was probably more meaningful in the other bug (#38614) as that = affected the order of menu items which are closer together, but this is similar. And as I explained (and you elided), it provides a meaning interactive = experience: > And I explained my use case which for a user means fewer keystrokes > in a common case (visit the first reference without having to navigate > to it or type it's name) which seems far more meaningful than a=20 > negligible cost in other cases. Howard=