From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ulrich Windl" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20403: Antw: Re: bug#20403: Format of NEWS (navigating in it) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:16:57 +0100 Message-ID: <5DBFD069020000A100034D6C@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de> References: <55375867020000A100019F48@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> <87pniex9a4.fsf@joffe.skangas.se> <2ecef70596fda1bcaaaa31944a01a39a@webmail.orcon.net.nz><2ecef70596fda1bcaaaa31944a01a39a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> (message from Phil Sainty on Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:56:50 +1300) <83eeytnffd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="103225"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 20403@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se To: , Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 04 08:18:31 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iRWdC-000QiI-P8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:18:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58160 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iRWdB-0006BF-G0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 02:18:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51086) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iRWcm-0006B5-8K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 02:18:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iRWck-0001dl-Ha for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 02:18:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55182) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iRWcj-0001dd-S8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 02:18:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRWcj-0005Ts-LT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 02:18:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Ulrich Windl" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 07:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20403 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 20403-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20403.157285184121011 (code B ref 20403); Mon, 04 Nov 2019 07:18:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20403) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2019 07:17:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35770 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRWc5-0005Sp-BK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 02:17:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.uni-regensburg.de ([194.94.157.146]:55084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iRWc2-0005ST-UX for 20403@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 02:17:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.uni-regensburg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id BEEBC6000050 for <20403@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:17:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de (gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de [132.199.5.51]) by mx1.uni-regensburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C56E600004D for <20403@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:16:59 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from uni-regensburg-smtp1-MTA by gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:16:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 18.1.1 In-Reply-To: <83eeytnffd.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170915 Archived-At: >>> Eli Zaretskii schrieb am 31.10.2019 um 15:43 in Nachricht <83eeytnffd.fsf@gnu.org>: >> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:56:50 +1300 >> From: Phil Sainty >> Cc: Ulrich Windl , 20403@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> The change I'd actually like to see is for NEWS to just be a symlink >> to the appropriate NEWS.xx file, which should exist under that name >> from the outset of development on version xx. > > That'd cause trouble when merging from the release branch. Symlinks > complicate VCS operations in general. ChangeLog-like files, especially when being more or less chronological always cause trouble when merging, as merge itself is rarely chronological. But for the topic: Having some "user-level symbolic links" like "See NEWS-1.2.3" that Emacs can parse could be helpful, so (as proposed) the actual "NEWS" would just contain a notice what the current versioned NEWS file is. periodically renaming NEWS files (archiving unversioned to versioned) is probably a bad idea. > > If we want a better NEWS, I'd suggest to introduce a new mode, which > will inherit from Outline mode, but will support some sort of > "include" directive. Then we could have a NEWS file that just > "include"d the versioned files, and Emacs would display their > contents, perhaps given some user command to expand a given version's > news. As a bonus, this would let us have a single NEWS file, from > user's POV, like other (smaller) projects do. Hmm:? Minor-mode "include-view" that presents a (read-only) view of a document with all includes expanded. Actual include syntax would be delegated to some functions or REGEXes...