From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10907: 24.0.94; Updating display of Customize buffer Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:11:22 -0800 Message-ID: <5D50FB57830546E49BA986F7932928F5@us.oracle.com> References: <87vcmr6r9a.fsf@escher.home> <87obsj6l48.fsf@escher.home> <87k4367spn.fsf@escher.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1330467233 28107 80.91.229.3 (28 Feb 2012 22:13:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 10907@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Andreas Schwab'" , "'Stephen Berman'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 28 23:13:49 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S2VIk-0007jF-Be for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:13:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54833 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S2VIj-0001qu-KZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:13:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41108) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S2VIO-0001oS-2u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:13:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S2VIM-00021q-A4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:13:19 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47886) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S2VIM-00021b-5F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:13:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S2VI6-0000pu-Du for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:13:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10907 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10907-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10907.13304671423165 (code B ref 10907); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:13:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10907) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2012 22:12:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54716 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S2VHS-0000ok-5s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:12:22 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:42452) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S2VH6-0000ns-CC for 10907@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:12:10 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q1SMBc9H028823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:11:39 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1SMBSKi025541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:11:31 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt102.oracle.com (abhmt102.oracle.com [141.146.116.54]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q1SMBRxr000372; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:11:27 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.33.152) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:11:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Acz2Y93I4g7ho9lURe+wSQJvwSCPXQAAV6XQ X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4F4D511B.00BC,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:57368 Archived-At: > *Note (elisp) Customization Types:: > You specify the customization type in `defcustom' with > the `:type' keyword. The argument of `:type' is evaluated, > but only once when the `defcustom' is executed, so it isn't > useful for the value to vary. Having this in the Elisp manual helps developers, but it is not all that helpful for a Customize user trying to understand the behavior. Stephen described a purely end-user interaction. And yes, the behavior is not obvious. We obviously felt it sufficiently non-obvious to add that paragraph to the Elisp manual. End users deserve some info that helps them too understand a bit. At the least there seems to be an Emacs-manual doc bug here. Let's please add something to help users navigate the labyrinth.