From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9598: 24.0.50; completion goes too far Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:47:46 -0700 Message-ID: <5D4CCB828585430D8AB4FD61EAEAC5C0@us.oracle.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316976572 3463 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2011 18:49:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:49:32 +0000 (UTC) To: , <9598@debbugs.gnu.org> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 25 20:49:28 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7tlY-0008Eq-Aj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:49:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58611 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7tlX-0003bW-VJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:49:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:57650) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7tlV-0003bG-8d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:49:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7tlU-0002BD-4s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:49:25 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:56059) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7tlU-0002B9-25 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:49:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7tm6-000263-Ou for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:50:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9598 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9598-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9598.13169765878034 (code B ref 9598); Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9598) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2011 18:49:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7tlq-00025W-83 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:49:47 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7tln-00025O-J2 for 9598@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:49:44 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p8PImo4i018759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:49:04 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p8PIlu07016737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:47:56 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p8PIlpdi015142; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:47:51 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.36.251) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:47:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: Thread-Index: Acx7qYutmIohSMyVRZqCGwXrwS3hDgAAcglA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090203.4E7F77A0.0069:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:50:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51830 Archived-At: > This is totally surprising and unhelpful. > ...and did not mention *mail* at all. That is confusing > and unhelpful too... > > I surmise it is treating the input as a wildcard pattern. > I think that is a misguided feature. The *'s should be > treated literally. And the current buffer should not be > excluded from a completion list, when a completion list is displayed. 1+ Yes, the default matching uses wildcard patterns. In fact, the default matching uses several different matching schemes, in sequence, until one of them results in matches. See my reply to your post today about bug #9591. And we have been over this before[*]. People, including you, have pointed out the user-oriented problems with this UI design, but Stefan really wants it this way. So you and other users will continue to be surprised. [*] I cannot find appropriate emacs-devel threads to cite here, because it is impossible to search at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/ etc. for `+from:rms@gnu.org', because of too many hits. That limitation sounds reasonable at first, until you realize that you cannot even combine such a filter by ANDing it with a small set of hits from another pattern - e.g. `:subject:complet' (regardless of AND order). Similarly, I couldn't find a way to search at http://debbugs.gnu.org/ for bug-list postings (not submittals) from rms@gnu.org with subject-line matches. Poor GNU.