From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29805: 27.0; doc of `tooltip-resize-echo-area' Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 20:07:42 +0100 Message-ID: <5A3EA97E.9060501@gmx.at> References: <5A3D4775.2010700@gmx.at> <7614565b-94d6-40fe-a3d1-cf51235a21bc@default> <5A3E14EC.3010809@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1514055982 17710 195.159.176.226 (23 Dec 2017 19:06:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:06:22 +0000 (UTC) To: Drew Adams , 29805@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 23 20:06:18 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSp7d-0003v2-3e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 20:06:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38486 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSp9b-0004UG-78 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:08:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53800) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSp9S-0004TJ-Pm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:08:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSp9O-0002fP-Ia for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:08:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:40866) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eSp9O-0002fG-Ee for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSp9O-0000ca-64 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:08:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29805 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 29805-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29805.15140560782377 (code B ref 29805); Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:08:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29805) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2017 19:07:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49547 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSp9K-0000cH-AT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:07:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:63507) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eSp9I-0000c5-Iz for 29805@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:07:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([213.162.73.128]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LaGJa-1epCLU0r7e-00m6oN; Sat, 23 Dec 2017 20:07:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:0p3mSQVbE4vZ/JWJpWxV1IfKvdHmVHMCtyaaQWU6+j0fm/2ag9s AvIB4ughl9EpEmqumDEYsK41XtS7WhxOVYsssOibNNFCjCUbxLNdON1h9t+qfTlUxy6C3NF AOdqDPQ+vScJtzVYOyDK3nLdyHu6hF6tKJebRiFKghOE8saLnleKpB7UCIWOAyLNVcgubuy vobi8kpANhNO3UQQ3yXrw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Pd+Ce5t+cgc=:d6oOwD/uNzidYHLgqJif0U tFGq4tWJiv47DOE/kNnxZFq3zYOXwSi1jWHFhdFIqs2Fpj8H3/i4FfKwYrsMU7g7IGqfzPfAh pOjI/vEGNpW5q3AG65XKaO/yxwo+ERdOumIhx7kGn+5A81Nss1VuGTbBI0X+L0rnUHKyDdiZk SCSCxYKlw0PDrKFDhtsnBcJ/P6FI1DzcDUCfJDb+ar42dGDlh7scdmdkcEE2x6XaTLPBLfVvr 8IcGhMOR+KNWDeVnr8j7aly0Si7+k/01ZbVs5Thr/Pq2B+ae+kVC30EmAA5ndfnnMxDnRN874 NwB+KLPrmX3nbStoccEGdB9MA1gdRlciHWNDRs+6uplXxfxfbS4wuq345SehhU5oAFvmwqtac 0jyzaroIgQREeYmT52/8RTOkO9XGpF7BetrXH5jnAqW+Jv+pGf0T9Sh8INX6Cks7egm23lgYd fl17bpZEkASVT4+fDc1L53SenVt9Ed/49cwswZzdm140r7qrODRjh5T0ex2H9TLeF3muFbdv0 /ou8L/80AYGN7Vmj1IJ/NH3izcGWNdlwbsjI6Tc5X29Jimwd7o6rvcey8jf+60pSgrDSiM+dn kkkNgOrEcy4y9Nd6zTHG5De+0iSLfQENTjdWa6itAZ+SerBOoY5yXPoDxuE1MUME7H/BeeoKh VLPtblsu6kugi820vlzQyexx84Jm8PvEBY9WRECBPabJMlFc7C8JbtAfZi2SIwce3wgsOBREn IsMQ8dVDSqOkjeIn7ZbmdUG/AjMJwzOqgUbP9TpUkFQ/X62Ivf3zu1Tvfu6mCyhpRR3HAANk X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:141431 Archived-At: > This bug is not about whether or when there should or > should not be resizing. It is about the doc, which > can (so far) give the impression that this resizing > affects this real estate even when a standalone frame > is involved - which it does not, AFAIK. Any such resizing is governed by the setting of `resize-mini-windows' and whether the echo area can be resized at all. There are various reasons why the echo area can't be resized - for example, when the root window has fixed size, when the echo area occupies the only window on its frame or when the frame is too small. Maybe there are more. So the standalone frame case is just one among others. But this is just my POV of this matter. As should be clear from my previous remarks in this thread, I apparently do not understand the use of the echo area for showing tooltips and neither the difference between echo area and minibuffer. So I'll rather leave this for the inventor of `tooltip-resize-echo-area' to fix. martin