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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 22336@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA
Subject: bug#22336: 25.0.50; cl-generic.el features are not documented in ELisp manual
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 03:45:21 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56A41EA1.3010406@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83pows43ft.fsf@gnu.org>

On 01/23/2016 08:21 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> I know.  The point is the stuff contradicts itself, and when I was
> reading this, I needed to decide which part to believe and which to
> discard.  I think I mostly succeeded, albeit at a significant cost;
> I've mentioned these only because you asked about them.

It doesn't exactly contradict itself, though it almost looks that way. 
I've renamed the argument to hopefully make it make more sense.

>>> Anyway, specific methods can evidently be defined by cl-defgeneric as
>>> well, whereas the doc string says they should be defined by
>>> cl-defmethod.  The semantics of :method is never described at all (and
>>> I saw no examples of its usage to inspire me, AFAIR).
>>
>> Is the can/should distinction a problem?
>
> Of course it is.  "Should" is sometimes a synonym of "must".

Actually, the docstring says "methods are defined", not that they should 
be defined. And that's true either way: the :method definitions, and the 
default-body, are still passed to cl-defmethod.

I don't how to improve this part, so I didn't touch it.

>> I think the semantics are easy to guess, but I probably glanced at CL's
>> documentation as well at some point:
>
> I did guess, see what I wrote in the manual.  But I shouldn't have
> needed to guess, I think.

I didn't touch this one either. The current description in the docstring 
might be enough, since I wrong the examples in the previous message just 
by looking at the docstring.

>>> "_The_ dispatch argument", in singular means only one such argument is
>>> possible, which is of course false.
>>
>> Indeed. There's a case to be made for discouraging multiple-argument
>> dispatch ("implemented rather naively"), but the docstring should be
>> corrected anyway.
>
> I thought this was one of the strong points of Lisp-style OOP.

Docstring corrected.

>> cl-defmethod docstring should probably enumerate the possible types
>> (aside from the mentioned ones, TYPE can be (head ...) or a name of
>> cl-struct, like the commentary says).
>
> I think so, yes.  Also, it should at least hint on the hierarchy of
> types.

Types are now mentioned, as well as the word "hierarchy". I've 
referenced a private variable to do that, but I think that's okay in a 
docstring (docstrings are allowed to change between releases).






  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-24  0:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-09  9:06 bug#22336: 25.0.50; cl-generic.el features are not documented in ELisp manual Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-09 10:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-16  8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22 21:17   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23  5:29     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-23  6:06       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23  8:20         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-23 12:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-23 17:02             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-23 17:21               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24  0:45                 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2016-01-24  0:48                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-01-24  5:03               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-24 14:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24 23:00                   ` Stefan Monnier

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