From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:26:43 +0200 Message-ID: <56848453.9090002@yandex.ru> References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <552D20B6.8030005@yandex.ru> <83mw2abul3.fsf@gnu.org> <552D34BC.4090806@yandex.ru> <83h9sibt0q.fsf@gnu.org> <552D7796.2090109@yandex.ru> <567EA3EB.7030007@yandex.ru> <5683C498.9060300@yandex.ru> <5683CAD0.6020609@yandex.ru> <568475A0.20609@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451525247 7071 80.91.229.3 (31 Dec 2015 01:27:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 01:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 31 02:27:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aES1F-0003Hf-Si for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:26:47 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([185.105.175.24]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id ft4sm67400346wjb.37.2015.12.30.17.26.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:26:46 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/42.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:111055 Archived-At: On 12/31/2015 03:17 AM, John Wiegley wrote: > I don't believe this is a realistic assessment of what will happen. I just > don't. I can't imagine it happening otherwise. What else? Tab-fueled users' rebellion on Emacs mailing lists? > We don't know too many things, that's the point. You're suggesting an > improvement based on what you think will be an improvement, while causing > difficulties that you don't think will be worse overall. Yes. > But why change? What is the driving factor behind this request? Do we know > we're actively losing users because we insert tabs when one presses the TAB > key -- to such an extent that changing this default will keep those users? Is > the change important enough that it's OK to annoy the people (our existing > users) who will be surprised by this change? Not losing, no. But probably failing to capture some potential new users. Likewise, I don't believe we'll lose any users to changing the default. We should make Emacs 26 more attractive in other ways anyway, which will offset this minor inconvenience.