From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10873: 24.0.93; `report-emacs-bug' obscures bug-reporting buffer (!) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:06:20 +0100 Message-ID: <56801A8C.2080605@gmx.at> References: <1716A09ADF16453DAA29A726CB402BA5@us.oracle.com> <87sirsc1lg.fsf@building.gnus.org> <281e9d1f-0853-4498-bd4f-7510213c0cab@default> <43f2b0b2-fafc-43a9-b56a-120b90878cbc@default> <838u4hk0um.fsf@gnu.org> <56800C2E.80300@gmx.at> <0286fb63-edbc-448f-ae07-738ed5ef8f78@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451236048 25575 80.91.229.3 (27 Dec 2015 17:07:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 10873@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Drew Adams , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 27 18:07:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDEmq-0003YE-L2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:07:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42221 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDEmp-0007fE-Vi for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:07:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53039) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDEmh-0007Xb-2i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:07:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDEmd-0002uu-2g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:07:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37019) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDEmc-0002uq-Uo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aDEmc-0001Rg-QZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:07:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10873 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10873-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10873.14512360025523 (code B ref 10873); Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:07:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10873) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2015 17:06:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44620 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aDEmH-0001R0-Nt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:06:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:50251) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aDEmG-0001Qd-Mx for 10873@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:06:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([213.162.68.11]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LzHZ7-1a9Kwp2DJp-014VmC; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:06:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0286fb63-edbc-448f-ae07-738ed5ef8f78@default> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:H6DILbvLRzGmIFo9frXafLbGR71X84E1f4amA1zrGlHcVm32w4M lwa39LMVQW4cfyVTJj/wdu/EpH1aB5Jd9G8Gl/QFwslKrW4lkBTXsulKPhl7YCl7unn2xHk ukBdpwF9P2zx8ZKZcKH5VCDaanc+eFniC2/ZvffYBFRarWgLLuEQppj/iYdmTZpevILDeFv VE3kymXWq7N0LFzDKPEwg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:6OK76LuczGQ=:AeV52Sf7grZ/zbbjwWY/4l sr4noTreWt+gWUwbfCWON/h85bqJs7DlC5+P1m3EiTvi/y7PHzSc5eX1XVubXZznmuo+telUx Ezrj6sBZ5Au6ayjxMEx3UvcEgqcjpvI2uQJO9UnwvmkcPRVyTjyVfAtvod5Y8UaZ+LHMq/mD8 xGkFUgCDIheoWshRAxM4GKVnywi4aZ1XevlCznLPk3j0QQOr5mobjBbHqu+pgrUW7pq8++kAP niAHzzUoiIeZgB8ifboHCWRmIYWtdbt2EMuCWaTsvwypzoorhqp/Hw0+NM8ppIjOblCW6LkAO B/eoRGMPLc7455EFMosVhMM/5A0qC/V26udTmp7eclAXspkm+RzRtEyiynBEIWhwEVxh3XDBM qp3oaFEoNUv6qi7sdm69/sQFitRuwsF+Pbz4BmzBWaA588Etvwz/2QxTa4THehg7Ulbt8GmNx oxteI4J29T1IjoYYIfY+iTvgDDx7loWGPq5vTEapcq4AvWX+6JrCKdRLHIYml4cPUvQ0mbW4K LHKXdb0OyAZJ+hlU8/t8PDmFh8Bz8PvIVyoPC0S1qVnNp6c5Y9OcAeV3ilKpdWJc69lxs8/kX JmS2pkHw6RoozJZJw/YXoIT3DKxdEihiW0jKnqW5yZUhmFQFUtqiRUBwGA4HSx0xg6oagv8ZF Wd9DdsOWKU4YRe+XHDEL02GkNO4dvcGljr/vL7paIWECWoqT/JTkWnmf7bkKc8NXDZYNWFx7X QemVtqkMSsWWl1DxHpgxt+KraFOEr/bceC43j5EcMwZlj8fjkod1JnTM3viojx49uKdTFCVs X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:110801 Archived-At: > *Completions* is not a modal window. I don't mind to disagree here. > And it is not the case that > users cannot or should not start another activity (related or > unrelated) while the minibuffer is active or *Completions* is shown. Agreed. That's precisely why the *Completions* window is dedicated. > Certainly users should not be proscribed from having a completion > in progress while they file a bug report. Think, for instance, of > `enable-recursive-minibuffers'. Or think of keys that invoke > commands from the minibuffer - commands that might do nearly > anything. Or think of wanting to refer to the *Completions* > buffer while filling out a bug report. Agreed, again. > The bug-reporting code should not make any special assumptions > about other user activity that might be in progress or done "in > parallel". It should not assume that either it or some other > activity is modal. A truly modal activity will in any case do > its best to prevent anything else from interfering. > > Certainly preparing a bug report is NOT a modal activity, The modal activity in the case at hand is picking up a completion. > and > it should not prevent a user from interacting with Emacs in > other ways while the report is being prepared. Nor should it > assume that the user will not continue to interact with Emacs > in other ways before the report is finished and sent. > > Use of the minibuffer should not be proscribed or curtailed just > because bug reporting wants to display some other windows. And > use of other, non-bug reporting, windows should not be foregone > just because bug reporting wants to display some additional windows. > > What should happen is that the bug-reporting windows should both > be visible. Or at the very least, the most important, not the > least important, of these two windows should be visible. > > And as the original bug report said: > > This is a regression starting with Emacs 23. > > Since it is a regression it should not be impossible or unfeasible > to obtain the pre-regression behavior again. Easy. Find someone who makes the *Completions* window non-dedicated again. My interest in this bug is exhausted already. martin