From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:26:11 -0800 Message-ID: <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org><1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355696814 8588 80.91.229.3 (16 Dec 2012 22:26:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Stefan Monnier'" , "'Andy Moreton'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 16 23:27:08 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMfr-0005Lg-Gs for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:27:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43954 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMfe-0002TM-9w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:26:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46564) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMfc-0002TH-5W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:26:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMfb-0002OJ-0x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:26:52 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35497) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMfa-0002OE-U0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:26:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMgj-0001y5-KJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:28:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13556968607535 (code B ref 12621); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:28:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2012 22:27:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45748 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMgL-0001xR-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:27:39 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:31085) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMgJ-0001xK-Dq for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:27:36 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBGMQMiL004293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:26:23 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBGMQMPx001911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:26:22 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt119.oracle.com (abhmt119.oracle.com [141.146.116.71]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBGMQLN1032303; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:26:22 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:26:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3b2YY6AYgmDfqiQvGb2Q8iselc8QAACFRA X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:68614 Archived-At: > >> Thanks for reporting the bug, Should have stopped there, full stop. Thank you, Andy. > >> but please don't refer to Windows as a "win". > > > This kind if puerile comment is decidedly unhelpful. > > It's very far from puerile, it is on the contrary based on an > understanding of the power of choosing your words. Power of choosing your words, indeed. Please do not assume that you understand this better than Andy or anyone else, just because you religiously ban "win32" from your vocabulary. Mouthing "win32" is hardly "referring to [MS] Windows as a win." If Andy had in fact referred to MS Windows as "a win" then you might have an argument. He did not, and you do not. This "win32" thing is now nothing more than counting angels on pinheads. It makes as much sense as claiming that using the character `w' in an abbreviation is tantamount to pledging allegiance to Bill Gates. Or the devil. Burn the witch! Burn the `w' books! Words chosen well have power. Chosen unwisely they can backfire. Choose wisely. That, I think, was precisely Andy's point. It's mine, at least. The anti-"win" crusade is not effective, almost by design. And you should not, by now at least, be surprised at that. Choose wisely, especially if you are offering guidelines for political action and not just a catechism. Just one opinion.