From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:31:28 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <55F9D1A0.5060804@cs.ucla.edu> References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> <3aa1fafa-ed4d-4935-8a3e-cae7d0842c5f@default> <83r3ly7rpd.fsf@gnu.org> <55F91EF9.2000302@cs.ucla.edu> <83mvwm7k3s.fsf@gnu.org> <55F98B34.4080703@cs.ucla.edu> <83fv2e706c.fsf@gnu.org> <55F9B482.3050901@cs.ucla.edu> <83bnd26wns.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442435542 24082 80.91.229.3 (16 Sep 2015 20:32:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 22:32:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcJND-0006Vk-Dw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:32:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53181 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcJNC-0003Vg-FJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:32:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34649) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcJN9-0003UM-71 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:32:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcJN4-0006Qa-FG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:32:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43010) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcJN4-0006QL-D4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcJN4-00019T-21 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.14424354954381 (code B ref 21472); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:32:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Sep 2015 20:31:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35219 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcJMc-00018a-G6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:31:34 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:33390) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcJMZ-00018L-6y for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:31:32 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9CC1610FC; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id nT9NFgpxxBxy; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63511610FB; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:31:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id eN5575Yg7mrM; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC7581610F4; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:31:28 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 In-Reply-To: <83bnd26wns.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106659 Archived-At: On 09/16/2015 11:34 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > "push", "wheel", etc. aren't technical terms, Sure they are. And they're commonly used that way nowadays, e.g.: https://github.com/jquery/jquery-mousewheel https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-diffs/2013-10/msg00185.html http://git-scm.com/docs/git-push https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-11/msg01746.html Omitting unnecessary quotes would help improve on the stuffy and dated feel that the Emacs manuals too often have. A part of this stuffiness comes from quoting terms that may have been newfangled decades ago but are in common use now. Repeatedly quoting now-common terms like "push", "mouse wheel", "cut", "copy", and "minimize" makes the manuals look like they were written decades ago and haven't been properly updated since. (Look, Ma! I can "cut" from this window and "paste" into this other one with my "mouse wheel"! :-)