From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Anders Lindgren <andlind@gmail.com>,
Keith David Bershatsky <esq@lawlist.com>
Cc: 21415@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#21415: 25.0.50; Emacs Trunk -- pixelwise width/height for x-create-frame
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 15:39:46 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55F6CE22.1070502@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABr8ebYMG8jYZrqij3+HB65yaa1Ei7EZ=k6JSWjJZSF+c0EnSw@mail.gmail.com>
>>> No, ns-auto-hide-menu-bar does not move the frame at all.
>>
>> OK. But doesn't it remove the constraint that a frame's rectangle must
>> start somehwere at or below (0, 0)?
>
> When the menu bar is visible, OS X doesn't allow windows above the menu
> bar.
I'm not sure I understand: Do you mean here "OS X doesn't allow windows
above the top of the screen"?
> When it is hidden, it's not possible to drag a window above the top of
> the screen.
I've never been able to "drag" a window above the top of the screen
because on all machines I know of the title bar is the handle for
dragging.
> However, OS X allows an application to place a window above the
> top of the screen -- the code in Emacs simply ensures that Emacs itself
> doesn't hinder this.
Does this "OS X allows an application to place a window above the top of
the screen" hold _only_ when the menu bar is hidden or does it hold
regardless of that? What's such a restriction good for anyway?
> -- the code in Emacs simply ensures that Emacs itself
> doesn't hinder this.
Because Emacs "normally" advices OS X to constrain the frame to the
screen. Correct?
> By the way, when I use Win32, I also place the title bar above the top of
> the screen,
Why? Do you never use the fullscreen feature?
> so this is not a feature that is unique to the OS X port. Of
> course, for a frame the be placed above the top of the screen, the user
> must explicitly placed it there. A frame should never "just happen" to be
> placed above the top of the screen.
It will happen when it's too large and you specify negative values for
its position.
> Hiding the menu bar only hides the menu bar -- it does not move the frame
> or hide the title bar.
OK.
> However, when the menu bar is hidden the user can place the top of the
> frame at a negative offset (i.e. above the top of the screes), but this
> must be done explicitly. Most users won't use this feature, but it's
> important to those that do.
OK. The "when" might be an answer to one of my questions above.
>> But how comes that for Keith the frame is apparently placed above the
>> top of the screen although he didn't specify it?
>
> Clearly, this is a bug -- the frame should not be placed above the top of
> the screen in this case.
>
> In Emacs 24, this didn't happen. Why this happens in Emacs 25, I don't
> know, but clearly this is not the way we want the system to work.
>
> The desired behavior is to place the top of the frame at the top of the
> screen, or right below the menu bar (if it's present). If a `top' attribute
> is present, the window should be placed accordingly. Also, a frame that is
> too high for the screen should stretch down below the bottom of the screen,
> like it did in Emacs 24.
Agreed.
> I have tried to trace it through the various functions -- it seems that
> Emacs tries to place the frame at the top of the screen (which is where we
> want it) but at a later phase, the frame is somehow moved and/or constraint
> to an incorrect location. This may take some time, however, given that I
> have small children and a full time job, but I will try to find some time
> for it during this or (more likely) next week.
Fine.
Thanks for your efforts, martin
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2015-09-04 17:41 bug#21415: 25.0.50; Emacs Trunk -- pixelwise width/height for x-create-frame Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-04 19:17 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-05 0:31 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-05 9:59 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-06 17:18 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-06 19:26 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-06 17:56 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-06 19:26 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-06 22:01 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-07 7:05 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-07 17:53 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-08 8:29 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-08 16:13 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-08 19:22 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-09 0:38 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-09 6:27 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-09 14:30 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-09 15:53 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-09 16:26 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-09 17:11 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-10 0:46 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-10 6:57 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-10 18:39 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-12 11:11 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-12 19:57 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-13 9:02 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-12 11:12 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-12 18:11 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-12 23:09 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-13 9:02 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-12 23:13 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-13 7:10 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-13 9:02 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-13 16:17 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-13 18:01 ` martin rudalics
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2015-09-13 20:21 ` bug#21415: Fwd: " Anders Lindgren
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2015-09-14 9:37 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-14 13:39 ` martin rudalics [this message]
2015-09-14 14:45 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-14 17:37 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-14 19:03 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-15 8:29 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-19 21:12 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-19 22:17 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-20 7:25 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-20 8:44 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-20 9:27 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-20 9:54 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-20 18:29 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-21 9:42 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-13 18:36 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-14 8:31 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-14 8:32 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-13 18:53 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-14 15:25 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-14 17:37 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-20 16:47 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-20 18:31 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-21 9:43 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-21 18:56 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-22 6:38 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-22 8:54 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-22 9:36 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-27 18:53 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-28 6:48 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-28 21:35 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-29 7:23 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-29 7:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-30 17:54 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-09-30 18:57 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-30 21:29 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-02 8:37 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-03 6:16 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-03 8:32 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-20 19:14 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-28 14:32 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-28 15:31 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-28 17:49 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-28 18:00 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-28 18:13 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-29 7:22 ` martin rudalics
2015-09-29 17:09 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-09-29 17:14 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-01 6:43 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-10-02 8:37 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-03 11:28 ` Andy Moreton
2015-10-03 12:31 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-05 21:02 ` Andy Moreton
2015-10-06 7:57 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-07 3:42 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-10-13 10:21 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-13 17:23 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-10-13 17:59 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-14 8:49 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-14 15:58 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-10-14 17:37 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-14 21:53 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-15 10:00 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-20 17:20 ` Anders Lindgren
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2015-10-21 16:07 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-22 14:54 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-22 15:35 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-23 9:13 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-23 18:00 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-24 15:33 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-24 18:57 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-24 21:43 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-27 21:42 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-28 7:54 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-28 9:55 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-28 11:25 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-28 19:19 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-29 22:53 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-30 7:59 ` martin rudalics
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2015-10-30 9:34 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-30 10:18 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-10-28 9:54 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-14 20:34 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-10-15 9:59 ` martin rudalics
2015-10-21 1:03 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-10-21 2:07 ` Anders Lindgren
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2015-11-02 20:50 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-11-03 6:29 ` Keith David Bershatsky
2015-11-03 8:54 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-11-04 2:21 ` Keith David Bershatsky
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