From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20707: [PROPOSED PATCH] Use curved quoting in C-generated errors Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 23:53:54 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <55768D82.3040509@cs.ucla.edu> References: <556CA97C.8070807@cs.ucla.edu> <20150602115600.GA3468@acm.fritz.box> <556DCE36.9070505@cs.ucla.edu> <20150602170724.GA2567@acm.fritz.box> <20150602204423.GA2619@acm.fritz.box> <55707236.6060605@cs.ucla.edu> <20150606155445.GE3418@acm.fritz.box> <557337CD.60706@cs.ucla.edu> <20150606205023.GA3862@acm.fritz.box> <55738BA9.7050104@cs.ucla.edu> <20150608171804.GA3184@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1433832934 2823 80.91.229.3 (9 Jun 2015 06:55:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 06:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20707@debbugs.gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 09 08:55:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z2DRH-0007vb-4q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F7EB16070C; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:53:55 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <20150608171804.GA3184@acm.fritz.box> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:103762 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie wrote: > The topic was specifically "message output". OK. > we don't control Info output Actually, we do control it, and can easily tell makeinfo to output straight ASCII quotes. Although that would have made sense in 1995, it doesn't make sense now, as makeinfo's default behavior of outputting curved quotes works better for ordinary usage today. > you could fix that by fixing your fonts No, that would disagree with common usage for these characters. Almost everybody uses the current standard in this area, and it wouldn't be reasonable to require users to switch to long-obsolete font styles just to see decent output. > That still displays double curly quotes as inverse question marks, though. This is not a problem if the topic is specifically "message output", as only single quotes are being proposed for message output. That being said, most likely your problem is because you told Emacs you were in a UTF-8 locale. You can try setting LC_ALL=en_GB.iso885915 or something like that before starting Emacs. But I'm not sure I would do that. If I understand the rest of your message correctly, your environment already displays curved single quotes as nicely curved single quotes. The main problem for message output is that you don't like the exact appearance of curved single quotes in your font and would prefer a different appearance and don't like any of the other fonts I've suggested and would rather fire up a font editor to get an appearance you like. Although that's all fine of course, this appears to be mainly an issue of font style preference, which means it's an issue that does not block the proposed change.