From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17074: 24.4.50; C-j is undefined in Emacs Lisp mode (and RET doesn't indent either) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5563d023-7a58-4c1d-a6d7-e45c13eafdeb@default> References: <415b0420-c07d-418e-878a-693f1d3f5b9a@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1395623897 19666 80.91.229.3 (24 Mar 2014 01:18:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 01:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17074@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 24 02:18:25 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WRtWx-00040k-P6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 02:18:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34072 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRtWx-0002Hs-C0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:18:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42504) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRtWl-0002HY-6K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:18:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRtWc-00019T-HQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:18:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRtWc-00019O-Dp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WRtWc-0002tB-2a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:18:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 01:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17074 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17074-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17074.139562382211015 (code B ref 17074); Mon, 24 Mar 2014 01:18:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17074) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Mar 2014 01:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46462 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WRtVe-0002rV-9g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:33651) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WRtVd-0002r7-14 for 17074@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s2O1GxlE003821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Mar 2014 01:17:00 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s2O1Gww1002945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Mar 2014 01:16:59 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s2O1GwbT022630; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 01:16:58 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:87278 Archived-At: > The trunk code has had C-j unbound (globally, not just in elisp-mode) for > a few days right when I forked emacs-24 but that's been fixed. So if > C-j is unbound globally for you, you're probably just using a revision > from that unfortunate period. You tell me. Does the time of the build I reported fall during that (vaguely expressed) "unfortunate period"? The bug report is quite specific about the build. Why beat around the bush? It's always next to impossible to know whether or not a change such as C-j being undefined is by design. There is in general a lack of proposals followed by discussion, and a lack of help from NEWS (until very near the end). We come across a change and try to guess whether it is intentional. >From my point of view this is a regression. Glad to hear you apparently think so too. But until hearing that, it is not obvious that this is not some new design brainchild.