From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20385: [PATCH] Support curved quotes in doc strings Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:49:01 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5555A4ED.8090500@cs.ucla.edu> References: <1429555155-4695-1-git-send-email-eggert@cs.ucla.edu> <5552FDAC.4080004@cs.ucla.edu> <55534080.6010400@yandex.ru> <555369FD.30701@cs.ucla.edu> <5553D12F.7000809@yandex.ru> <5554155E.70000@cs.ucla.edu> <55547DC6.3090509@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431676225 27379 80.91.229.3 (15 May 2015 07:50:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 07:50:25 +0000 (UTC) To: Dmitry Gutov , 20385@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 09:50:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YtANp-0006OV-FN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 09:50:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58267 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtANp-0006WW-09 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:50:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtANj-0006U0-VX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:50:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtANg-00066i-Jh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:50:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35750) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtANg-00066B-H1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:50:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YtANf-0003wq-Go for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:50:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 07:50:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20385 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20385-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20385.143167615115098 (code B ref 20385); Fri, 15 May 2015 07:50:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20385) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 May 2015 07:49:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45725 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YtAMo-0003vO-GM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:49:10 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:55602) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YtAMm-0003v5-By for 20385@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEEF39E8016; Fri, 15 May 2015 00:49:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SurxCozn96W9; Fri, 15 May 2015 00:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 85D8839E8014; Fri, 15 May 2015 00:49:01 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: <55547DC6.3090509@yandex.ru> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102824 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov wrote: > The other GNU packages have transitioned to using the straight apostrophes > though, didn't they? No, in locales where UTF-8 is allowed these packages typically use curved quotes. Here are GCC and coreutils in my (UTF-8) locale: $ echo @ >t.c $ gcc t.c t.c:1:1: error: stray ‘@’ in program $ mv xzzy sfasdf mv: cannot stat ‘xzzy’: No such file or directory The packages do use straight apostrophes in locales that lack curved quotes, but such locales are becoming less popular with time. > The diagnostic messages can be treated differently (use fancy quotes, since we > know this text will appear to the user as-is) Sure, but that's more complicated as it'd mean two ways to generate curved quotes. Another way to put it: we'd still need an easy way for users to type curved quotes in strings and once we have that (as per the Bug#20545 patch) then why not prefer the same easy way to type curved quotes in doc strings? > As a Russian speaker, though, I'm not going to > turn it off. Completely understandable. I suppose you can turn it off for the odd message where that's useful -- a bit awkward, but better than nothing.