From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, Euro, etc. Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 09:11:49 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <55479A45.60508@cs.ucla.edu> References: <1430701990-31993-1-git-send-email-eggert@cs.ucla.edu> <836188tobq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430756019 24985 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2015 16:13:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 16:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20499@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 04 18:13:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YpIzg-0007rD-2F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 18:13:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35089 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YpIzf-0001k3-EP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 12:13:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40413) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YpIzU-0001bF-Vd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 12:13:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YpIzO-0000Wp-Rp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 12:13:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52179) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YpIzO-0000Wl-Nb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 12:13:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YpIzO-00067b-B0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 12:13:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 16:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20499 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20499-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20499.143075592223422 (code B ref 20499); Mon, 04 May 2015 16:13:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20499) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2015 16:12:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33918 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YpIyP-00065c-FM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 12:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:58712) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YpIyN-00065O-Us for 20499@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 12:12:00 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9608EA6000B; Mon, 4 May 2015 09:11:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zGT33KGRjpPz; Mon, 4 May 2015 09:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01DCAA60008; Mon, 4 May 2015 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: <836188tobq.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102455 Archived-At: On 05/04/2015 07:22 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Shouldn't we prefer input methods instead? Typically yes, but for common characters it's better to have a standard way to input them in any context. The exact set of such characters is of course debatable (and you could easily talk me out of the more-obscure characters proposed), but quotes, dashes, and the Euro are pretty basic to ordinary English text. Also, Emacs has no English input method, which means Emacs users currently have trouble writing good English text outside the ASCII character set. I suppose we could add such a method, but that would require more user training than the proposed approach. Anyway, Emacs is natively English and support for basic English text should be available everywhere.