From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19468: 25.0.50; UI inconveniences with M-. Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 01:32:35 +0300 Message-ID: <553EB903.9060000@yandex.ru> References: <83zja6b3tc.fsf@gnu.org> <54A24079.4020902@yandex.ru> <54A2FF47.6010207@yandex.ru> <54A86135.7080004@yandex.ru> <54A90002.7080009@gmx.at> <54A9C3FB.7000602@yandex.ru> <54AA3881.3080304@gmx.at> <54ABBB47.7010603@yandex.ru> <837fszx7iy.fsf@gnu.org> <83pp6pwqnw.fsf@gnu.org> <83lhhdwfft.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430174004 24700 80.91.229.3 (27 Apr 2015 22:33:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19468@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 28 00:33:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YmraQ-0005jA-5k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 00:33:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57925 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YmraP-0000em-9w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:33:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39582) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YmraL-0000eU-L4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YmraI-0008DU-DM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:51915) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YmraI-0008DF-Aa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YmraH-0006oI-Vb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:33:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19468 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19468-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19468.143017396526156 (code B ref 19468); Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:33:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19468) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2015 22:32:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41691 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ymra0-0006no-UG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:32:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com ([74.125.82.41]:35693) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YmrZy-0006na-Tl for 19468@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:32:43 -0400 Original-Received: by wgyo15 with SMTP id o15so131590620wgy.2 for <19468@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 15:32:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rNT51ECNRxU0JFZ47LMtfU9aN6dApSJ1J/90HRn9pVk=; b=xqqQa2wAQiK+oYamu9topS5bD77Vmz0lHrqIKA+Dos5h0POHm5mk5qq/uyoh6aRTBa yezGpmC9EMB0yMZRJb41835Aw3Dm7U+zpjf4YEd6jY+m0LebwZKqpNbswcP7y9MdlJuU 64365kDb9xlLiosW1hzo6DhHgbFKOD1RV8fY4CyCWEa4fc/Z5Zj1e6eGFqe8rJKCoweO L+DSSdP9+tOCA9jad8XnYya0dftd+O/P+8qUun4IyxMQct07GPWSTe4zxBKGQSBjJoYu TV62IRzCOkq0C1bhlk9XDxKtzfQq5e0SPphM4Vug1nR3I9y1qD0CPb/1dylTZClsmV1Z TIZQ== X-Received: by 10.180.81.200 with SMTP id c8mr23802120wiy.49.1430173957387; Mon, 27 Apr 2015 15:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([82.102.93.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g14sm3922265wjs.47.2015.04.27.15.32.36 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Apr 2015 15:32:37 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/36.0 In-Reply-To: <83lhhdwfft.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102127 Archived-At: On 04/27/2015 10:15 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > We shouldn't treat the Emacs core as second-rate citizen, either. A > feature as central to code development and Emacs in general as finding > definitions and references of symbols cannot thrive only (or mainly) > outside the core, IMO. So? What are you doing to help with that? Are you asking anyone currently participating in this thread to work on CEDET? > Where did you see me say I dislike it? I'm just saying that learning > a new UI for the sake of a new UI is a waste. I _am_ prepared to > learn a new UI if it brings new useful functionality with it. The new UI itself brings tangible improvements by itself, as well as a unified interface that can (and hopefully will) be used by different projects. I don't know how you don't see the value in that.