From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17558: 24.4.50; global-subword-mode breaks ERC Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 15:31:03 -0700 Message-ID: <553EB8A7.7070103@dancol.org> References: <87ppj4ette.fsf@secretsauce.net> <537FB4C8.3080809@dancol.org> <87a924mbuk.fsf@secretsauce.net> <8rvbghcp9y.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="POV8US5jiifLU0FlgWKGBFoM8uUHJ0U16" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430173946 23789 80.91.229.3 (27 Apr 2015 22:32:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Dima Kogan , 17558@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris , Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 28 00:32:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YmrZT-0004kp-4J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/27/2015 01:03 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: >=20 >> Indeed, with the new implementation of subword-mode, most of the >> word-operating commands should be marked as "interactive use only", >> since their behavior is too unreliable for use in Lisp code. >=20 > Sounds to me like it will be a PITA to review/replace every > non-interactive usage of those commands. >=20 > Are people certain they want to go down this road? I am. It's the only way we can make sure that interactive commands that move by words *indirectly* do the right thing in the presence of user customizations. > (At time of writing, I don't see any mention of forward-word etc no > longer being safe in NEWS.) ERC is the only component I've heard of breaking. I don't think forward-word has *ever* been "safe" in the sense that you're suggesting. 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