From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:39:40 +0300 Message-ID: <552D34BC.4090806@yandex.ru> References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <552D20B6.8030005@yandex.ru> <83mw2abul3.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429026029 5612 80.91.229.3 (14 Apr 2015 15:40:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 14 17:40:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2wf-0002rn-QE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 17:40:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56533 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2wf-0005ZQ-4v for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55123) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2wX-0005VS-P1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:40:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2wU-0001Ja-Hu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:40:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38339) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2wU-0001JJ-FW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2wT-0003zc-NJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:40:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.142902599115328 (code B ref 20322); Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:40:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Apr 2015 15:39:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56348 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2wJ-0003z9-0K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:39:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com ([209.85.212.180]:36841) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yi2wH-0003yu-74 for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:39:49 -0400 Original-Received: by wizk4 with SMTP id k4so118956611wiz.1 for <20322@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:39:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8CtgCufkxRnk+kTpiYGdlB9NtHpn3hsWmiisfg8KIF4=; b=vlZJwZlU2WE+U9NTf/DV4C5AhBVSF9hjg7C5VYOCdqNYsWe2tPvZ/yom5TyWtqD85D vmXZEa5N0syF8sig8fKfj50SyU3Rz6fO2gXUB0eENNHbBaFGF2E3DvBfwXdySwMWGaZw zlMEKTMdKdv1GszY5PlFpod83iGGMHCOandavgUjnGdqBpoVWLvyEfo+nEPmMbncwfbp sBE8DuY8XtxLdxRTUW5oy3OBwJNLp/qPBNl93GDE+2r4zTtF3gTeP8K5ubbrInqmYyKs pXvBSR1gmwiRuiLKfBnETp3kdpC9mtsoE+b31RSQ5xonrxFjZhUk3fY+q0rY2hO/7te+ fATw== X-Received: by 10.194.201.164 with SMTP id kb4mr40099381wjc.32.1429025983619; Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([82.102.93.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id di7sm658826wib.23.2015.04.14.08.39.42 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:39:42 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/36.0 In-Reply-To: <83mw2abul3.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101518 Archived-At: On 04/14/2015 06:25 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > The alternative is not to configure indentation at all, but instead to > use the defaults, which are quite reasonable. No, they're not. They're only so in major modes that set several of the related variables locally (e.g. ruby-mode, and python-mode as I see now). Speaking of JavaScript, the defaults do not conform to the current convention (2 spaces, no tabs). I'm not 100% sure what's the split in C and C++ communities, but Java favors spaces as well. Even folks who want tabs have to configure stuff, because of our `tab-width' default (which is indeed something we cannot change now): http://stackoverflow.com/a/21788651/615245