From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44932: 28.0.50; MINIBUF 'nomini' for window-in-direction Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 19:49:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54f141f9-0861-4b2e-a87c-db1c5253bd7f@default> References: <<87r1odtdtx.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<342c23a3-e379-452c-6c5e-29dab7592c28@gmx.at>> <<87h7p8zeim.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<5dbd99a5-a51e-318f-0c9d-81dae921af96@gmx.at>> <<87eekaa8au.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<27c3eec9-5675-47ae-937e-b5440becf6b6@default>> <<83sg8qi4yy.fsf@gnu.org>> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31131"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 44932@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 01 04:50:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kjwg8-0007ye-Jy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Tue, 01 Dec 2020 03:49:53 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0B13jIoD098339; Tue, 1 Dec 2020 03:49:52 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3540fw885e-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 01 Dec 2020 03:49:52 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0B13njGI017178; Tue, 1 Dec 2020 03:49:45 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83sg8qi4yy.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5071.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9821 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2012010025 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9821 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2012010025 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:194702 Archived-At: > > > I don't know why MINI-WINDOW would be better than > > > MINIBUF. Is this distinction significant here? > > > > IMHO, MINI-WINDOW would be worse. It's not > > about a small window. >=20 > "Mini-window" is accepted terminology in Emacs, it is used, e.g., in > resize-mini-windows. So there's nothing wrong with using that. (And > yes, usually that window _is_ small.) You're discussing only how to refer to this parameter in doc strings. I contributed my 2 cents. As for the "accepted terminology" of "mini-window", I've also given my opinion about that unfortunate name more generally: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D11276#24 "it is wrong to use only "mini" here. This is not just a mini-window, i.e., a small window - it is a minibuffer window. See bug #3320, deemed "wont-fix" by Lars: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D3320. Perhaps now that others consider that `resize-mini-windows' is a misnomer (for additional reasons), this misuse of "mini" can be reconsidered." Bug #3320 was filed at the request of another who also felt that such "accepted terminology" is unfortunate: "these misleading names have bitten me too." > it is used, e.g., in resize-mini-windows" And now what was discussed as a bad-name bug has been canonized as a model of good naming. You have a chance now, when considering parameter names, to start to put things on the right track, even if you don't rename `resize-mini-windows'. Multiplying wrongs doesn't make a right.