From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20056: 25.0.50; Remove non Common Lisp stuff from cl*.el libraries Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:21:52 -0700 Message-ID: <54FC9340.2030703@dancol.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oiVkCBlnU6gJlGrD7836C1bbv37UAdJhH" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1425839027 28538 80.91.229.3 (8 Mar 2015 18:23:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 18:23:47 +0000 (UTC) To: Drew Adams , 20056@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 08 19:23:35 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YUfr7-0003ni-F3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:23:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40008 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUfr6-00035p-OW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:23:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50516) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUfr1-00030X-4Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:23:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUfqx-0007RY-TB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:23:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41147) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUfqx-0007RR-Mr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:23:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YUfqx-0000WP-FH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:23:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:23:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20056 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20056-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20056.14258389241901 (code B ref 20056); Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:23:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20056) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Mar 2015 18:22:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39710 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YUfq0-0000Ua-53 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:22:04 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:39545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YUfpv-0000U8-Gs for 20056@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:22:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Q81TzyD7bXtz957MrriDCYqXfRdDWfzeVf6ZhjlR8a4=; b=TMutDNo+XzY5AJ+JPjnsW0eNe808yhBhUA5OgDQiMBPkQ2WqpTvxsmzfQ6JcbJyq1p6mQGu4EU/+mMkjIoPglcE0vbnt4BNJMQKiyXL2CbRBK6jbIEJ7aV3nSEQ+2IM8UzpkMJjE/Dc5Hs8SYQy3/00k9reJ73Kx+tCk/JbfR6482tLjp+jjz6+ePhXCI6fadv1Wxs8g0cNGD6XvnGTO5RxxOc2FddJZcF9L4U3IJUqEE3hHW67ujA3og/LsYNxbTA32ril0NAecOFRk5WAnTnkj5ajqcEYIEjHJpWHYJCFdTVVG0E/MkaUeekGUK6LnvBrATVYs7Ux4Ixck1FughQ==; Original-Received: from c-73-221-38-18.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([73.221.38.18] helo=[192.168.1.210]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YUfpt-0006eP-9J; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:21:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:100279 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --oiVkCBlnU6gJlGrD7836C1bbv37UAdJhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/08/2015 11:02 AM, Drew Adams wrote: > In our `cl*.el' libraries we have some user-facing `cl-*' macros etc. > that do not correspond to anything in Common Lisp. This seems > misguided. >=20 > We see this in node (cl) `Modify Macros', for example: >=20 > "The following macros were invented for this package; they have no > analogues in Common Lisp." >=20 > Why add them to a package that is for Common Lisp functionality (it is > "The GNU Emacs Common Lisp emulation package") if they are not part of > Common Lisp? >=20 > This is quite misleading, and it has led some people to think that > `letf' etc. are in fact part of Common Lisp. Please consider renaming > these without the `cl-' prefix and moving them to a different library, > whose name does not start with `cl'. Even cl functions that have the same names as functions in Common Lisp don't always have the same features or semantics. I don't think it's very important that the cl package mirror Common Lisp. --oiVkCBlnU6gJlGrD7836C1bbv37UAdJhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJU/JNAAAoJEN4WImmbpWBlB04P/1UawRmyxdhQDJJ95nUqt68X r356Zkn8NDNdBXJsePauN8v1bT5bEzeow1b62qtXC23XrC7sVTM7zTYuBGl0q6gF xp+fsVREhYwpITsNturoOwxt94AEQXb5eAXCGU18WS6OK5VqG6VrRueUdy2OyW6y LdK3Igl90LEg/ZrfETtjiM15Wpk+3qs5x0RhJQWFS5ssA/n3oGaDNPjONhmgoGDU WljVILzlM120nfL5bh8k4O83CBLO5PEDwkPLkX2couer3O+bRki2cdGPyWJSHJ1L Ar/gN7Gd88IecXbtOdgusIzkFMEs2KQMEzl/IQ/fwE0hVxmFktHIml6tuJbefhsb Cs4TOVMJUuHVtr4xJw/jSnHFrTxxVL6+EDY8FPii7Yh7lmI0MD7bHcSMp1nAogrt Sa0IWagWrQX9ToQsmwj88e+xgdb6KEbS3YpY7ApXx3YPiXoBBSvaV43mo+ZaVkv+ yeL9PMG/vvb2RwNkSSLyNaP/lBXGyiWrV/nT9M6Tzp8WpgG+1gnKSZUS0gfTEDHw ZC/eqcbduPuQMtMIWe7ZamyJZCigyn47Tig0bWj5ofwv1INdevfRGJt4+ezLdRPP rurxU0WxQCs5eGHjhzjlSG3Fky2oiazigne3tvLDp6xiym3K1gCe5ydg9+TAloL3 zdLeNKdN2GgrDoVEw9n1 =umIz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oiVkCBlnU6gJlGrD7836C1bbv37UAdJhH--