From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16292: 24.3.50; info docs now contain single straight quotes instead of `' Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 13:36:43 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <536401DB.7080606@cs.ucla.edu> References: <<83zjnextyg.fsf@gnu.org>> <<52C5BDD1.2050009@cs.ucla.edu> <83ppoaxfu6.fsf@gnu.org>> <<52C607DA.3090009@cs.ucla.edu> <83fvp5xzk0.fsf@gnu.org>> <<52C6F2C5.10505@cs.ucla.edu> <83mwjcx1i9.fsf@gnu.org>> < <52C750C4.6040006@cs.ucla.edu> <8338l4w5pj.fsf@gnu.org>> < <83ha9jv5lh.fsf@gnu.org>> < <838uuvum9n.fsf@gnu.org>> < <8338l2v1tn.fsf@gnu.org>> <<52C9BA68.7050703@cs.ucla.edu> <83fvp2tcqx.fsf@gnu.org>> <<52C9BCBF.7050904@cs.ucla.edu> <83eh4mtc52.fsf@gnu.org>> <<52C9E53D.8070106@cs.ucla.edu> <838uutu5mu.fsf@gnu.org>> <<52CA3FB9.30509@cs.ucla.edu> <834n5ht7bz.fsf@gnu.org>> <<52CB5517.4030502@cs.ucla.edu>> <<83lhyssawf.fsf@gnu.org>> <5363ECDA.8050305@cs.ucla.edu> <57f18f83-5ac5-4bde-8268-ba89f159c676@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 In-Reply-To: <57f18f83-5ac5-4bde-8268-ba89f159c676@default> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:88546 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020601000800000604020900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 05/02/2014 12:33 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > I thought Eli was saying that it does just that: '...'. Your user is reporting that, so that's what Eli is diagnosing. The point is that makeinfo shouldn't be doing that. >> Perhaps your info+.el user could investigate why makeinfo is >> misbehaving for them, > Can you suggest how? Run 'makeinfo' on the attached file t.texi and look at the quoting in the output file t.info. It should use ASCII accent-grave and apostrophe with old texinfo, and Unicode curly single quotes with new texinfo. Similarly, the double quotes should use ASCII undirected double-quote (both times) with old texinfo, and Unicode curly double quotes with new texinfo. > I would still want Info+ to be able to easily test, using Lisp, which > is being used in the current Info buffer: `...' or '...'. Info files should never use the latter in Emacs 24.4, so this shouldn't be a problem. Down the road there may be a problem, as we really need to accommodate new Texinfo. It has been suggested that we change the Emacs build procedure to transliterate the output of new Texinfo so that by default it quotes 'like this' instead of ‘like this’. I think this would be a mistake, and your recent bug report gives another argument against it. For your planning purposes, here is a list of non-ASCII characters that are generated by new Texinfo when applied to the Emacs documentation as of January or so. You might want to check that info+.el handles these characters, as some users will run into them either because they built the manuals themselves with new Texinfo, or because they're reading manuals generated by other GNU projects. I think Emacs is the only holdout that still insists on old Texinfo. ' ' (i.e., NO-BREAK SPACE, U+00A0) '真' (i.e., Han character 'real, actual, true, genuine', U+771F) ¤ © ¬ » À Å ß à á ä å ç è é ê ì í ï ò ó ö ø ü ć č ł ń ő Š š – — ‘ ’ “ ” • … → ↦ ⇒ − ≡ ⊣ ★ --------------020601000800000604020900 Content-Type: text/x-texinfo; name="t.texi" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="t.texi" \input texinfo @documentencoding UTF-8 @settitle Test @node Top `single quoted' ``double-quoted'' @bye --------------020601000800000604020900--