From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17046: 24.3.50; On startup emacs frame has no minibuffer or windows decorations Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:03:22 +0100 Message-ID: <532BF24A.6090703@gmx.at> References: <87bnx1me40.fsf@capuchin.co.uk> <532ABA74.5060206@gmx.at> <21290.56690.254740.791923@capuchin.co.uk> <532AE836.2030907@gmx.at> <21290.64241.176419.931155@capuchin.co.uk> <532B4016.7010508@gmx.at> <21291.20160.94341.637290@capuchin.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1395389060 29278 80.91.229.3 (21 Mar 2014 08:04:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17046@debbugs.gnu.org To: Robert Marshall Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 21 09:04:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WQuRH-0003Ru-NJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:04:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51178 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WQuRH-0007aX-0l for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:04:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49531) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WQuR0-0007Eq-3f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WQuQs-0003xF-QA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:04:10 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41735) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WQuQs-0003x8-M8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WQuQs-0006j7-75 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:04:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17046 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17046-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17046.139538902025825 (code B ref 17046); Fri, 21 Mar 2014 08:04:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17046) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2014 08:03:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42917 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WQuQV-0006iT-4H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:03:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:60329) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WQuQR-0006iJ-Qj for 17046@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 04:03:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.47.250.12] ([62.47.250.12]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MHXXo-1WPp1v08Wi-003IcL; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:03:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <21291.20160.94341.637290@capuchin.co.uk> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:xw2GwanNtKNt0Gf1Jir2PSMDIpxZ0hk4m6BwOdgkOi6B3XuZ2p4 PmlVh5HMYZPK5qDZ8rG14XLGu0PxA2nld9ickmipfAJxhCAjyY0FmOZJLbSDnfRZClSRmsx a8gTG6om0LAeNA4ZqSd/uG4aCe4uDFJcqIVwturCXebp9vwZPOZMg98HdYURxWk8l4OBnn8 2KATXi2ItvVg3YG4lBnkQ== X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:87087 Archived-At: > Even when I maximize (with a unbuggy frame) I still see the title > line, is this windows vs kde? I can't see anything in kde system > settings which might affect this. Maximizing preserves the title. Fullscreen (via F11) doesn't. > > Sorry. How can a non-existent minibuffer disappear? > > > > Sorry the context is after putting desktop-restore-frames to nil _on > startup_ the frame came up ok (as I said in the snipped bit of the > message you were replying to: > > Unfortunately after Juanma's suggested change (and then reverting it > and an emacs restart) I get the frame *with* a minibuffer but without > the window decorations.) > > so it is there at startup but on 'maximize' (which isn't really > maximize) it disappears. > > Having just tried it again (and the exit put desktop-saved-frameset > back). I'm again getting a single frame with no decorations and no > minibuffer I'll save that desktop file - it looks to me as if there's > only one frame now in the desktop file (at least there's only one > frameset--id which I assume is the determinant) Once more (I'm confused): What I wanted you to try is to get that bad frame (the one without title decoration and without minibuffer) back on screen. Let's call this the "bad base state". Now please in that state do: (1) Apply your window manager's key shortcut to maximize it and then the shortcut to restore its normal size. Do title bar or minibuffer come back? (2) In the bad base state type F11. Does anything change? Type F11 again. Does anything change this time? For me the only explanation for a missing title in a normal-sized frame is fullscreen mode gone astray. Does anyone have a better explanation? Thanks, martin