From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19395: 25.0.50; Setting left fringe to 0 messes up window-width Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:57:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <531fdb8b-4e03-4100-a586-590a36af2d8d@default> References: <87vblbnz2u.fsf@posteo.de> <83k31rwe55.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhm772o2.fsf@posteo.de> <83h9wvwbux.fsf@gnu.org> <83egrzvtb0.fsf@gnu.org> <83388ewa4w.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418857106 13361 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2014 22:58:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19395@debbugs.gnu.org, malsburg@posteo.de To: Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 17 23:58:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1NXv-000660-Nn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:58:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51871 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1NXv-0004yA-6K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:58:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35127) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1NXl-0004xg-LV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:58:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1NXe-0000MV-EH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:58:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:39968) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1NXe-0000ML-BV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:58:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1NXd-0000Os-Sz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:58:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19395 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19395-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19395.14188570651515 (code B ref 19395); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:58:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19395) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2014 22:57:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49334 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1NXN-0000OL-4a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:57:45 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:46620) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1NXL-0000OC-2a for 19395@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:57:43 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sBHMvfWd026617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:57:41 GMT Original-Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sBHMvdDJ005701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:57:40 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sBHMvdob018305; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:57:39 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:97474 Archived-At: > > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D11832 >=20 > Note that this was a request from Drew who didn't even understand > that the "$" signs used up just as much space as the fringe would. Oooooh. "Drew didn't even understand THAT"?! You never miss an opportunity, do you? Try to see if you can convince people by throwing in an ad hominem aspersion or two... > IOW a typical "I don't understand what I say, but I want my old > teddy bear back". I guess we can see whose behavior is typical here. A typical bleating of "This doesn't count because it was reported by Drew!" > So, it doesn't seem to be a request of terribly high importance. Because it is from Drew. Of course. That follows. Maybe some will read that bug thread for themselves and decide. Maybe not. I will repeat only this: Let me be clear BTW about my motivation: I use Emacs with fringes turned off. And I use it with line truncation turned off (although it gets turned on automatically in contexts such as the debugger). I am not asking for a fix to this bug for myself but for Emacs. I simply recognize that something was lost for users in moving to Emacs 21. It seems wrong that users who choose not to show fringe have no way of knowing which lines are truncated. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So much for this all being about ignorant, crybaby Drew just wanting to have his teddy bear back. Drew has little use for this teddy, and he made that clear from the outset. "No way of knowing which lines are truncated." Did Drew know what he was talking about there, or not? You have only to compare Emacs 22 and Emacs 24 with fringe turned off and `truncate-lines' turned on. That was the bug that Drew reported. And the bug that Eli fixed. The report simply asked to let users who choose to not show fringe be able to tell which lines are truncated. They had that ability before the bug (regression). And they had it again after Eli fixed it. If you want to take that teddy bear away from non-Drew users then no one will stop you.