From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48249: 28.0.50; Regression: emacs confused about window configuration due to ido-mode and/or winner-mode Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 08:17:59 +0000 Message-ID: <531453ddd66aad05f4af@heytings.org> References: <87zgx8wmew.fsf@secretsauce.net> <531453ddd62d1011193c@heytings.org> <831rakffuj.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32495"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 48249@debbugs.gnu.org, dima@secretsauce.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 06 10:19:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1leZDz-0008L0-5w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 10:19:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48778 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leZDy-0001UF-87 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 04:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49144) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leZDq-0001SV-Hi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 04:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53690) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leZDq-0007Hj-AX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 04:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1leZDq-0002c7-6L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 04:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 08:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48249 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48249-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48249.162028908310035 (code B ref 48249); Thu, 06 May 2021 08:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48249) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2021 08:18:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37003 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1leZCs-0002bn-Tp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 04:18:03 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:39830) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1leZCq-0002bJ-Oj for 48249@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 04:18:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1620289079; bh=fufDoQdVD4vjYqKLPyRYqia3MlBLxHuYjhUKvyA6ZKc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=gJm/Bcer6ICd5/Lx/qXMVUl8I4C4OiAIZqwCOqNGQzirDTrjxRwuL0lpch1rWAI4f ELbeff1McM/fzDUYi/diCOUvkdpH2EDnhk9cY8VCze5XmAwV7yZuQ5ZWgayRWa+Lk9 U8eOlCqB9y3s7rnBzFl2hJNZJd9dEjzswjzbTINwS8o5Eit4D3MZGweZpCzU+OynYG MjKnAiNxssmXQnyNKUh/hGqxHvVoAZMSz+XfZ5/6Mqtbl1Bx3vjftdEopex4NnLVXr mhmAUWAdJxLwGSD5S9KoRvVdguPrH3XCGk3ePVTh0b4ejGb2qqalGz6PC8Y7VSUw/f 8iVjMB+AmjOHg== In-Reply-To: <831rakffuj.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:205767 Archived-At: >> I wonder how many more bug reports are needed before the lesson of that >> failed experiment will finally be drawn. > > Significant changes in low-level infrastructure frequently cause a trail > of unintended consequences that need to be fixed. > When a low-level infrastructure has worked flawlessly for more than a decade, making significant changes in it without making them conditional to a run-time variable or a compilation option, until the new code is "proven" enough, is unwise. That's what happened with native compilation for example, or with Cairo, or... And this is all I asked when this experiment started. > > If you think what we saw till now as result of that changeset is a > catastrophe, you just didn't see enough serious low-level changes in > Emacs yet. > Did other low-level changes in Emacs result in segfaults and several bug reports of confused users each week? I'd hope not.