From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16292: 24.3.50; info docs now contain single straight quotes instead of `' Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:44:10 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <52C607DA.3090009@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20131229220810.GF7972@boo.workgroup> <52C0E734.4090403@cs.ucla.edu> <83sita1cbw.fsf@gnu.org> <52C1C456.2080004@cs.ucla.edu> <83fvpa16kh.fsf@gnu.org> <52C25D07.80808@cs.ucla.edu> <8338l91l2t.fsf@gnu.org> <52C4C95C.2010905@cs.ucla.edu> <837gajyrq1.fsf@gnu.org> <52C4F008.5060003@cs.ucla.edu> <83zjnextyg.fsf@gnu.org> <52C5BDD1.2050009@cs.ucla.edu> <83ppoaxfu6.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388709921 30704 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2014 00:45:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 00:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16292@debbugs.gnu.org, grfz@gmx.de To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 03 01:45:25 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VystA-0006yw-Aa for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 01:45:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47698 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vyst9-0002Fl-V7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 19:45:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vyssz-0002FK-VP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 19:45:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vysso-0001zi-NX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 19:45:13 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vysso-0001zU-KY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 19:45:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vyssn-0006iP-LK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 19:45:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 00:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16292.138870985625735 (code B ref 16292); Fri, 03 Jan 2014 00:45:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2014 00:44:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58820 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vyss3-0006gz-LJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 19:44:15 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:43168) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vyss1-0006gr-6M for 16292@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 19:44:13 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F30CA60008; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 16:44:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pJl9CtYqQR-b; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 16:44:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-108-0-233-62.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [108.0.233.62]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5156CA60003; Thu, 2 Jan 2014 16:44:11 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <83ppoaxfu6.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82845 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > These are very rare (and I would argue will look ugly any > way you typeset them). They're not that rare: for example, I count 949 info lines containing both straight and the curly apostrophes, with many opportunities for confusion. ‘C-x '’ may look ugly on some displays, but it's typically legible, and it's definitely easier to grok than 'C-x ''. The primary goal here is conveying information, not beauty. > I don't see the problem: just don't edit any letters, only edit > apostrophes, quotes, and arrows. What am I missing? Info generates lots of special characters like that, in response to ASCII markup. From the unibyte reader's point of view, why should the output of "``", "@quoteleft{}", "@expansion{}", "@result{}", etc. be converted from mojibake to ASCII, while the output of "--", "@bullet{}", "@minus{}", "@equiv{}", "@~n", etc. remains mojibake? I don't see any systematic principle to distinguish between the two sets of characters. >> The point of cp-ascii is to not put mojibake on unibyte users' >> screens, so why not fix all the mojibake while we're at it? > > To make it more acceptable to UTF-8 locales. UTF-8 locales work just fine (actually, better) with the original UTF-8 characters, so it's not a priority for cp-ascii's output to be more acceptable to UTF-8 locales. It's fine if cp-ascii's output is just as acceptable for UTF-8 locales as it is for ASCII locales.