From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jarek Czekalski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16155: 24.3.50; electric indent gripes Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:01:45 +0100 Message-ID: <52AF31F9.7020504@poczta.onet.pl> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387213363 22604 80.91.229.3 (16 Dec 2013 17:02:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:02:43 +0000 (UTC) To: 16155@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 16 18:02:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VsbZ7-0008MI-QM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:02:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57257 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VsbZ7-0002c6-Cy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:02:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VsbYX-0001pf-Mi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:02:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VsbYS-0002KP-3M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:02:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:40174) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VsbYR-0002K9-Rr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:02:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VsbYQ-0004zy-NC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:02:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jarek Czekalski Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16155 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16155-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16155.138721331419197 (code B ref 16155); Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16155) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2013 17:01:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54193 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VsbYH-0004zZ-M1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:01:53 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpo11.poczta.onet.pl ([213.180.142.142]:55221) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VsbYE-0004zM-ST for 16155@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:01:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.17.9] (cj.e-siemianowice.pl [95.215.234.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jarekczek@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3djpg15zhPz9ttbl for <16155@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:01:49 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1387213309; bh=9s52mWsGkV0HSaGy1C8YBS0Gh1DGI3NRP9IOUE+pDig=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nzCtKMjPQxSyOpsCPv6NK1bhpOFwxvsK46DWujqdoRT7JQc6IXjBagxWAqJ2iyg98 tnpFMNSmpm0aFi1hhPv5O8LUSwub4c8OE934oibl6TfgeJdywBlv7d0eB3qp2J6JLb Jl2H8bUZs/UfKvwtDSUdlXrXHElvjOi6ADdUfK1g= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82074 Archived-At: W dniu 2013-12-16 15:19, Stefan Monnier pisze: >> Again, the question: why should `newline' indent when we've got the specific >> command `newline-and-indent'? > Because apparently most users like it. You don't, so turn it off in > your ~/.emacs. Stefan, please don't make the basic mistake: users (probably) like "pressing RET indents", not "newline command" indents. If you have the data that most users like "newline command" to indent, please show it. It will cut all the discussions. I write it just in case you really meant what you wrote, which is unlikely. About turning it off: it was also asked for. The docs should guide to the place describing how to turn it off. I don't know how to turn it off, but I wait patiently. It must appear on the group sooner or later. Jarek