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X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:80716 Archived-At: Am 18.11.2013 08:16, schrieb Josh: > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >> And please cross reference the Elisp manual, node `Key Binding Conventions', >> so users can get more complete information. > > Those conventions seem to have fallen by the wayside, at least where users' > keys are concerned: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12976 > > > > Consider it a bug. IMO it's important to have some keys known to be free - it's very important for Emacs beginners. OTOH Elisp manual seems the right place, as it's a coding question.