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X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:78214 Archived-At: Emacs -Q opening with scratch buffer is a mistake in most cases. Please make Emacs star as general purpose Editor, preferably with an empty buffer, in text- or fundamental mode, where use may see it's input, being offered to save it etc. See also http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18734848/choosing-an-all-purpose-editor/18735853 Thanks!