From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14233: 24.3; Don't constrain frame size to character multiples Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:38:43 +0200 Message-ID: <51777DF3.5030206@gmx.at> References: <2r7gjy2gyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bo991z00.fsf@gnu.org> <517257A0.4080607@gmx.at> <8338ul1rmb.fsf@gnu.org> <517275A0.1040702@gmx.at> <83wqrxzbc7.fsf@gnu.org> <51729A6A.7090404@gmx.at> <83mwstyxre.fsf@gnu.org> <5172D1D6.8030200@gmx.at> <83bo99ys79.fsf@gnu.org> <5173B0B2.9070607@gmx.at> <51750438.5060106@gmx.at> <8C0357F6-5720-42E5-90EB-B83416F0344E@swipnet.se> <51762F4D.7070101@gmx.at> <8361zdxll8.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366785607 5440 80.91.229.3 (24 Apr 2013 06:40:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esabof@gmail.com, 14233@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 24 08:40:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UUtNC-0000JW-6z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:40:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51987 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUtNB-0006cI-JN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:40:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40977) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUtN7-0006ax-02 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:40:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUtN5-00020T-K7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUtN5-0001z3-CM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:40:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUtRv-0005ts-25 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:45:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14233 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14233-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14233.136678584522468 (code B ref 14233); Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:45:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2013 06:44:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40140 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUtQv-0005pj-H1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:44:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:63898) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUtQq-0005pC-Ap for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 02:43:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.33]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lyxby-1UZJ8g1aMK-014DiC for <14233@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:38:54 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2013 06:38:54 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-38-80.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.38.80]) [62.47.38.80] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 24 Apr 2013 08:38:54 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18MlokLdcQMhpsdu5BaT3VM6mEEg7XPZKuJIXs8H+ ozPsR+NTDO/NB4 In-Reply-To: <8361zdxll8.fsf@gnu.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:73615 Archived-At: >> When you remove the scrollbars the Emacs frame shrinks. When you >> remove the fringes it does not shrink. Yet, when changing frame >> sizes we are expected to handle fringes and scrollbars alike: They >> are no text, they are no windows and therefore should not be counted >> in the width of the frame's text area. > > I think this peculiar handling of the fringes is because of the desire > to count the display margins, if they are present, as part of the text > area. Then this is a bad desire. Otherwise, how would you explain that when removing fringes first and scrollbars afterwards, Emacs reduces the frame width by both. Removing scrollbars first and fringes afterwards, reduces the frame width by the width of the scrollbars only. martin