From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14233: 24.3; Don't constrain frame size to character multiples Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:50:53 +0200 Message-ID: <51762F4D.7070101@gmx.at> References: <2r7gjy2gyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bo991z00.fsf@gnu.org> <517257A0.4080607@gmx.at> <8338ul1rmb.fsf@gnu.org> <517275A0.1040702@gmx.at> <83wqrxzbc7.fsf@gnu.org> <51729A6A.7090404@gmx.at> <83mwstyxre.fsf@gnu.org> <5172D1D6.8030200@gmx.at> <83bo99ys79.fsf@gnu.org> <5173B0B2.9070607@gmx.at> <51750438.5060106@gmx.at> <8C0357F6-5720-42E5-90EB-B83416F0344E@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366699934 17447 80.91.229.3 (23 Apr 2013 06:52:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 06:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esabof@gmail.com, 14233@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 23 08:52:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UUX5J-0006wI-AG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:52:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36344 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUX5J-0006A1-1K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:52:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33418) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUX5F-00069o-5j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:52:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUX5E-0001zy-9V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34060) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUX5E-0001zt-5r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:52:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUX9y-0004pi-Nm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:57:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 06:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14233 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14233-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14233.136670017318508 (code B ref 14233); Tue, 23 Apr 2013 06:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2013 06:56:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38169 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUX95-0004oK-4L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:56:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:64268) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUX8x-0004nk-J1 for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.35]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LiZta-1V4xHX0d3s-00ceRi for <14233@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:51:03 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2013 06:51:03 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-40-54.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.40.54]) [62.47.40.54] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 23 Apr 2013 08:51:03 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Sd4NgYoTSp/qC4R9VkbwzJY3hnFPmMwizzbLhUN TUfwp3JplNAq35 In-Reply-To: <8C0357F6-5720-42E5-90EB-B83416F0344E@swipnet.se> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:73597 Archived-At: >> How do you "remove fringes"? There are at least three ways to do that. > > Menu bar, options show. > >>> If I remove scrollbars, I get frame-size 83, and window-size 41. >> How do you "remove scrollbars"? >> > > Menu bar, options show. BTW, what you do here reveals the basic problem with how Emacs currently handles fringes and scrollbars. When you remove the scrollbars the Emacs frame shrinks. When you remove the fringes it does not shrink. Yet, when changing frame sizes we are expected to handle fringes and scrollbars alike: They are no text, they are no windows and therefore should not be counted in the width of the frame's text area. This cannot ever work right. martin