From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14233: 24.3; Don't constrain frame size to character multiples Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:26:10 +0200 Message-ID: <5173B0B2.9070607@gmx.at> References: <2r7gjy2gyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bo991z00.fsf@gnu.org> <517257A0.4080607@gmx.at> <8338ul1rmb.fsf@gnu.org> <517275A0.1040702@gmx.at> <83wqrxzbc7.fsf@gnu.org> <51729A6A.7090404@gmx.at> <83mwstyxre.fsf@gnu.org> <5172D1D6.8030200@gmx.at> <83bo99ys79.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366536442 22277 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2013 09:27:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esabof@gmail.com, 14233@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 21 11:27:24 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UTqYO-0003aA-LH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:27:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33497 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTqYO-0000nw-8k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:27:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41116) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTqYK-0000nl-Sw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:27:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTqYI-0007UX-4y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:27:20 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTqYI-0007UR-1R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:27:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UTqcs-0008Pq-1k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14233 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14233-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14233.136653667032180 (code B ref 14233); Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:32:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2013 09:31:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UTqc0-0008Mq-Ue for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:31:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:65099) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UTqbw-0008MN-3R for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:31:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.35]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LsMuE-1Uekba197Q-011w7s for <14233@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:26:18 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Apr 2013 09:26:18 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-58-157.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.58.157]) [62.47.58.157] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 21 Apr 2013 11:26:18 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19qTnl/YbNqfigMImkIpCZwcu6VSoQ5e0s4zaFCme kOgFv2fn7e4p66 In-Reply-To: <83bo99ys79.fsf@gnu.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:73545 Archived-At: >> With emacs -Q try >> >> (set-frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'internal-border-width 12) > > But that just proves that I was right: There was nothing to prove. You're always right ;-) > a tool bar is just another > window, so its size should be included in the frame's text height. > What am I missing? What is exactly that we are disagreeing about > here? OK. But if the criterion to count something in the text height is that of being "just another window", we shouldn't include the display margins in the text width. > Which part of "width of FRAME, measured in > characters" is unclear? A frame, according to the Elisp manual, is a screen object that contains one or more Emacs windows. When with emacs -Q I evaluate (frame-width) and (window-width) I get the values 80. If I split the window into two side-by-side windows (frame-width) still evaluates to 80, but for both emanating windows (window-width) evaluates to 38. Somehow 4 characters got lost in a black hole. And bug#14222 demonstrates that Emacs itself sometimes doesn't understand its own nomenclature. > XEmacs has an entirely different display engine, developed > independently and with somewhat different goals. Yet it's the most accurate description of an Emacs frame I could find. martin