From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#55163: 29.0.50; master 4a1f69ebca (TICKS . HZ) for current-time broke lsp-mode Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 08:08:00 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <51023b72-7cdd-950d-5877-58ab1deea9c3@cs.ucla.edu> References: <87sfpxxyvb.fsf@3-191.divsi.unimi.it> <87zgk5jtm6.fsf@gnus.org> <87o80kj2q1.fsf@gnus.org> <878rroi5a8.fsf@gnus.org> <156b848f-0ba3-a2d8-a343-314e24d37934@cs.ucla.edu> <87pmkz53vf.fsf@gnus.org> <83levl7qu4.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21317"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.8.1 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, v.pupillo@gmail.com, 55163@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 01 17:09:10 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nlBCA-0005Mw-46 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 01 May 2022 17:09:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60642 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nlBC9-0005WX-8P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 01 May 2022 11:09:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45560) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nlBC2-0005WE-35 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2022 11:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:40055) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nlBC1-0002du-Qq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2022 11:09:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nlBC1-0004zs-Lb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2022 11:09:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 01 May 2022 15:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 55163 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 55163-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B55163.165141768819147 (code B ref 55163); Sun, 01 May 2022 15:09:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 55163) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2022 15:08:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33952 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nlBBA-0004yl-KA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2022 11:08:08 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:44638) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nlBB9-0004yX-Eu for 55163@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2022 11:08:07 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0942F1600B3; Sun, 1 May 2022 08:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id qvA5sB49ee_u; Sun, 1 May 2022 08:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6C81600D1; Sun, 1 May 2022 08:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id w6Eft_ip8iDH; Sun, 1 May 2022 08:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-172-91-119-151.socal.res.rr.com [172.91.119.151]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D38D1600B3; Sun, 1 May 2022 08:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <83levl7qu4.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:231159 Archived-At: On 4/30/22 22:40, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Using "universal" will IMO make the discovery even more difficult, > because no one will think of looking up time functions under > "universal". Yes, it shouldn't be "universal" by itself. It should be (time-now 'universal) or something like that, where the context is clear. I did consider "UTC"; unfortunately something like (time-now 'UTC) would imply that the timestamps include leap seconds, which they typically don't. "Universal" is a more-general term that includes both UTC and POSIX time (the latter omits leap seconds). .. > I still don't > understand why we don't want to use "time-" as the prefix of these > APIs. Sure, we can stick with "time-" for new functions.