From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:19:45 -0800 Message-ID: <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> <87ehipxwmr.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA6445498E75ACD3B0EF22325" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355710861 11125 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2012 02:21:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, Richard Stallman To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 17 03:21:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQKK-0007ee-Qw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:21:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39870 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQK7-0003bG-Cx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:20:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49034) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQK5-0003bB-D6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:20:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQK2-00067t-D6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:20:53 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQK2-00067p-9S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:20:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQLC-0007PQ-AL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:22:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135571087428407 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:22:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 02:21:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQKP-0007O8-RA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:21:14 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:36494) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQKM-0007Nz-Ii for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:21:11 -0500 Original-Received: from c-76-22-66-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.22.66.162] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQJ8-0004oo-4k; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:19:54 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 In-Reply-To: <87ehipxwmr.fsf@yandex.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:68628 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA6445498E75ACD3B0EF22325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/16/2012 6:03 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Hello Mr. Stallman, >=20 > Richard Stallman writes: >> You've made a false accusation when you call my criticisms of Windows >> "FUD". The references for these criticisms are in >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/digital-inclusion-in-freedom.html. >> >> You can't have had any evidence for your false accusation. You must >> have leaped to the conclusion. This bespeaks hostility towards me. >=20 > I think the burden of proof is on you here. You said that Windows > contains spyware, DRM and backdoors, and only presented an article that= > discusses the DRM. To be fair, the "backdoor" to which RMS refers involves an incident in wh= ich Windows Update updated itself even when users had specifically turned off= updates from the OS configuration facility for such things. I don't mean = to speak for RMS, but I believe he's suggesting that Windows still has these= latent capabilities. Nobody can prove otherwise. The "spyware" claim refers to Windows Update sending a list of installed programs along with its "do you have an update for me?" chat with the upd= ate server. That said, Chrome also transmits usage statistics and (in its default configuration) updates itself silently. rms, I don't see how you can clai= m Windows contains "backdoors" and "spyware" without similarly accusing Chr= ome. Many other programs do the same thing. I prefer to live in a world where the vast majority of programs I use are= not morally reprehensible. 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